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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.mlEnglish · 21 days ago

Ukraine is losing the war

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Ukraine is losing the war

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☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml to Україна | Ukraine 🇺🇦@lemmy.mlEnglish · 21 days ago
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There are three depressing takeaways from the latest round of diplomacy in Moscow and Kyiv by Jared Kushner and special envoy Steve Witkoff

https://archive.ph/yG0Ne

  • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.mlOP
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    Every piece of mainstream media is just as much propaganda by the same definition, so not sure why you’d single a socialist publication out here. You asked for a source and I gave you one. What is says is factual and correct. Yet, you lack even the minimal intellectual integrity to acknowledge this. Also, somebody openly carrying water for a fascist state is not my comrade.

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        Learn what Godwin’s law means. We’re talking about literal and unapologetic fascists here.

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          Buddy, you’re calling anyone a fascist who doesn’t adhere to your worldview or belongs to your block. That doesn’t help anyone and is super unproductive. Are there fascists in the Ukrainian forces? Regrettably yes. Is the Ukrainian government an illegitimate fascist junta that came to power via a sponsored coup? I yet have to see any even remotely convincing evidence of that. Luckily, actual fascist tendencies are still quite fringe in Europe, though they are regrettably gaining thanks to Russian and increasingly also US psyops.

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            I’m not your buddy. And I’m calling people who self identify as fascists fascists. The government in Ukraine literally just reburied fascists responsible for the genocide in Poland with state honors. Anybody who pretends that Ukraine isn’t run by fascists is either an imbecile or a closet fascist themselves. Even the Poles are starting to figure this out https://notesfrompoland.com/2026/05/29/poland-criticises-zelensky-for-naming-military-unit-after-group-responsible-for-massacring-poles/

            If you have yet to see any evidence then you obviously haven’t bothered to look.

            • Reuters, 2014: Leaked audio reveals embarrassing U.S. exchange on Ukraine, EU
            • Leaked recording between Nuland and Pyatt: audio | transcript
            • Counterpunch, 2014: US Imperialism and the Ukraine Coup
            • Consortium News, 2015: The Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
            • Monthly Review Online, 2021: The Maidan massacre in Ukraine: revelations from trials and investigations
            • Maidan coup thread https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup (https://archive.ph/BAxYc) Coup details https://consortiumnews.com/2022/12/29/evidence-of-us-backed-coup-in-kiev/

            DeMocrAcy https://jacobin.com/2023/02/ukraine-censorship-authoritarianism-illiberalism-crackdown-police-zelensky

            when we do it vs when they do it https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1628059721889468419

            quite fringe in Europe

            Says that without hint of irony when AfD gets 44% of the vote in Germany and RN is polling at all time high in France. What a clown.

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              Two can play this game.

              • https://factually.co/fact-checks/politics/evidence-us-orchestrated-coup-ukraine-2014-487d75
              • https://www.ukrainefactcheck.org/category/context/2014-maidan-revolution/
              • https://www.stopfake.org/en/ukraine-s-maidan-revolution-was-not-a-coup/
              • https://www.quora.com/Is-there-any-credible-evidence-that-Ukraines-2014-revolution-was-due-to-a-CIA-coup (thanks for linking that. Actually a good bit of first-hand evidence pointing towards spontaneous ‘grass root’ protests).

              Aren’t you getting tired of coming back to this point as if it mattered for the question at hand? Even if it were a coup, which it most probably was not, then that still begets the question why Russia gets to invade a neighbor when they don’t like their government anymore.

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                I provided a well documented list of facts that occurred. You’re countering with some propaganda opinion pieces.

                Actually a good bit of first-hand evidence pointing towards spontaneous ‘grass root’ protests).

                🤣

                Aren’t you getting tired of pretending that the west orchestrating a coup in Ukraine is not relevant to the current situation. Ukraine literally lost its sovereignty at this point and is now being used as a proxy. The US secretary of state states this fact openly and plainly https://thehill.com/homenews/5179806-russia-us-proxy-war-ukraine/

                Why do you hate Ukrainians so much, what the fuck have they done to you that you want them to die so badly for the western empire?

                And I just love how you trolls keep trotting our this whole Russia doesn’t get to invade idiocy. Clearly they do and have done so. The question is what caused the war to happen in the first place and how it could’ve been avoided. The west also has zero moral high ground braying about invading countries. Your whole history is that of invasion and genocide. Maybe look in a mirror first.

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