I love Session messenger as a decentralised solution, but man it sucks how little people want to change their habits
Supreme privacy. Two can only keep a secret if one of them is dead.
I have two contacts
Both are dead?
all the ones I chat to are on Signal but i went through this years ago, every time a contact sent me a txt message i sent a link to Signal and said see you there.
Your communications can’t be compromised if you don’t communicate lol
Having friends is bad OPSEC!
Same 😥
I’m actually surprised by how easily I was able to get my whole family and several friends on there, it’s my main messaging platform now. The only others are sms and steam chat.
Same here, it turned out family and friends wanted to stay in touch! Not a real surprise, but for some reason I kept overthinking and delaying the process… Once I just asked, all was done within like 20 mins. People made their accounts, I made the groups.
I saw my mom’s Signal today… Only me 😅
My mother in law actually surprised me by asking if the family group chat could switch to signal. I wasnt going to bother her about it because i assumed shed hate it since shes bad with technology. It was a pleasant surprise.
I have friends who refuse to install Signal despite having 10+ friends who I know use it. Big ups to ur mom
Only reason I managed to get everyone on Signal was because… uhh… Skype shut down. Yes, we used it to the end.
i’ve got ~140 contacts on signal
i don’t know all of them, probably like 50 are from groups i am part of
Empty bar problem.
Why do people use signal? It has one centralized server and phone number registration. There are many better alternatives.
It used to be an SMS client too, to help get people on board. Now they expect you to either memorize which people use which protocols, or just use SMS.
Don’t use SMS. As it is unencrypted, the ISP have complete access over it.
“And that’s why I won’t be getting dental work here anymore!”
It’s not that difficult to remember which people use which messaging apps. I use Signal, Line, Whatsapp, Matrix, Telegram, heck even Instagram DMs with different people. I try to push people to Signal whenever I can though.
Yes it absolutely is! I just use Signal and SMS, and the Signal users seem to be dwindling.
Stop using SMS.
“I shall never again get my car serviced here, for you refuse to upgrade messaging protocols!”
I always found SMS hard to use as it is annoyingly difficult to send and receive SMS messages with a computer. Basically every other messenger works on both phones and computers. (I really dislike using a phone when I’m sitting at a computer; a device with a keyboard, larger screen(s), and the ability to easily use multiple programs at once.)
Signal people have already explained why they refuse federation.
Basically, looking at history of federated messaging protocols (SMS and email), they are permanently frozen in time, and haven’t had security improvements for decades.
Signal team considers this tradeoff unacceptable, as highly targeted individuals rely on Signal to always keep it’s security model up-to-date against the most capable adversaries.
Which ones are you thinking of? Out of the options I am aware of, Signal seems to be the most secure, most reliable, and most privacy respecting messaging app in this category.
I use deltachat/arcanechat. It uses the mailchat protocol. There’s also tox, simplex, matrix, xmpp(conversations) these can do e2e, you can self host it or use a public server, everything distributed through app stores can be compromised. Every app were you rely on a central server can be shutdown. You also don’t know how the server software works of for example “signal”, what data they collect. Although messages are encrypted you can still log metadata like when where iplocation, with who?
The problem i guess with thr alternatives is bad service in terms of audio and video chat. The benefit of ms teams for example is their huge cdn. it just works nearly all over the world Whatsapp/discord is used by so many that it’s difficult to stay in contact.
I’ve talked to a deltachat dev about this, and the signal protocol is simply technically superior to autocrypt (used by deltachat, etc.). It gives you many more guarantees about things like forward secrecy. There is standardization work to bring these benefits to autocrypt, but it will probably be a while. Signal also has the benefit of having a familiar setup for non-techy people, so it is easier to get people to use in my experience.
Interesting. Ease of use is one thing but requiring a phone number or email to setup an account is in my opinion annoying.
Used to recommend XMPP (lol) but even with whatever encryption the servers still know and control too much. Like who you are chatting with (entire contact book) and when, plus attachments most of the time. And there was also the jabber <dot> ru incident… Don’t feel like pulling up the article rn but basically it got MITMed by one of the ISPs (counting the hosting provider as ISP), with a new valid TLS certificate and all.
Tox supermacy! What looser needs a backlog, pffff.
Session, simplex, deltachat
At least i got 3 people to install Signal just for me.
I got family, 2 friends and thats it.
And thats all you need. I also have family, 2 good friends and the rest are acquaintances
I had a contact that wouldn’t use Signal as he thought it wasn’t private enough, and recommended Sessions, but would never respond to any messages.
Ironically, I only went to that because I ditched Facebook and Messenger, which he was fine using. :rolleyes:
If only you could also text from the Signal App. I used to have multiple signal contacts, but every single one of them dropped it when they dropped SMS support.
Which means they actually didn’t use signal at all.
They used SMS and are still continuing using SMS.
Yes, but their communications with me and each other were secure, which is a lot better than they’re doing now.
Did using signal with the old SMS feature privided any additional level of privacy or security? Means, no matter what all the SMS are unencrypted and goes through ISP right?
The point was to have all your messaging needs in one package.
Not if you were using SMS, but it automatically upgraded connections to secure chats if both people had signal.
If you want to sell private communication tools, just tell people that the creepy ads they see when talking about certain topics will stop appearing.
Then they ask me back, “What’s the point of stopping one threat when thousands of ways exist to track them?”
From my personal research, I found that their messaging tool of choice is not only linked to privacy and security but also some features like status, stories, and the app design. Primarily the popularity and slop.
Look em dead in the eye, say: well if you dont mind the invasive ads, who am I to judge?
Privacy by design.
