• lyralycan@sh.itjust.works
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    23 days ago

    Yeah I worked this out a few years back. 1955/1985/2015, minimum wages in relation to the cost of a house. In 1955 it was equivalent to £45/h; in 1985 £26/h; in 2015 £9/h. It took 4 years to buy a house; now it takes 40 years to buy a down payment

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        23 days ago

        A lot of cross-referencing, finding studies/articles and historical archives of both for the time period (conveniently one from 1955 was available) regarding 2 bedroom house prices on average across the Kingdom, and the government’s data on minimum wages. I made sure to compare the national data with at least two cities in separate regions. I divided the house cost by the wage per hour for each period, and got the hours necessary to earn that much. I then made a very rough assumption of the ability to save 40% of the total earned and arrived at a more realistic timeframe to buy a house outright.

        Once I had the monetary value of each thing I put them into the RBS Inflation Calculator to see their value today. Minimum wages in 1955 were equal to ~£25 (in 2018), but 2 bed house prices were nearly half the price they are now, so for the wages to match the housing market also they need to be ~£48 today. (I performed this study in 2018 but before an event involving the loss of most of my digital data. I should remake the study so you guys don’t rely on my memory alone)

        • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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          23 days ago

          They asked someone how they calculated something and then you, a completely different person, answered as though you were the person being asked.

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            23 days ago

            Hi, Internet, we’re all Internet. It’s like dreaming; it doesn’t have to make sense, it just has to seem like it makes sense. Does this make sense?🙏

              • Sometimes I’ve used a different account on different devices because I’ve forgotten how to log into the first one but it stayed logged in, so if its ain’t broken, no need to fix it.

                Edit: I’m none of the other people in this thread.

                • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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                  23 days ago

                  Right I get that kind of thing but what makes this case weird to me is that for this scenario to happen, you either have to either accidentally stumble back onto the thread or you have to actively be checking manually as a different user to see if someone replied, since you’re obviously not going to get a notification from an account you’re not currently using.

        • Nester@feddit.uk
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          23 days ago

          Ah ok, that all makes sense to me. Thank you for taking the time to go through it 🙂

    • chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world
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      23 days ago

      One thing I haven’t seen anyone talk about in this discussion is the size difference in houses that are being built today vs 1950.

      Typical homes being built in the 1950s were around a thousand square feet. Today they’re over two thousand square feet. The kind of homes that would be a starter home for a working class family back in the 1950s just don’t exist anymore.

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        23 days ago

        That’s not really relevant.

        There are plenty of reasons for houses to be bigger today; things like improved building techniques, better heating.

        Also, I doubt the claim. In my area, when a big old one family house gets torn down, it’s usually replaced by a dozen condos. The average size of today’s houses might be skewed by giant mansions

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          23 days ago

          The main reason houses are bigger today: they’re more profitable. Building bigger houses on smaller land nets developers a big profit.

          McMansions is what they’re affectionately known as in the architecture world. They’re not proper mansions (enormous 20 bedroom country estates), but hardly any of those exist anywhere.

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        The kind of homes that would be a starter home for a working class family back in the 1950s just don’t exist anymore.

        First of all, yes they do. They’re just mostly condos instead of single-family detached houses.

        Second, even houses literally built in the '50s that still exist are expensive these days.

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          A 1950 single family house was 1000 square foot AND it had 3 or more bedrooms (I’ve seen up to 5). A 1000 square foot condo built today is 1 bedroom, not at all built for a family.

          The difference? Basements don’t count toward square footage.

          As for cost on existing old homes, they’re expensive today because there are so few of them and they’re in demand. That proves my point.

          US population in 1950 was 151 million. Today it’s 342 million. Yet if you look at the data, housing construction has been flat since 1968.

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    23 days ago

    But thanks to the one percent vacuuming up all productivity as their wealth, this is no longer the case. What do the poor need money for?

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    23 days ago

    That’s not news. That’s capitalism. It’ll get worse before it gets better. We all know yearly rises in profits are not sustainable, yet shareholders throughout the land ( a small percentage of the population) keep whipping that horse.

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      23 days ago

      It turns out the fear pushers are right.

      Our lives are in fact being ruined by a minority groups.

      But its not black people, or gay people, or Muslims, or Mexicans, or Trans people.

      Its billionaires.

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      23 days ago

      It’s definitely news to many people that it could be this extreme and it’s weird to be condescending about that.

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        23 days ago

        I understand the urges and anger at the current system that inspire this kind of reply, but as another user pointed out, this guy, even if ostensibly on the side of the working class, is distributing misinformation.

        The plight of the proletariat is dire as is, we don’t need to resort to far right tactics to prove that point and citing fake studies weakens the case for change in the eyes of people who have the media literacy to check those things.

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      23 days ago

      I agree. Because I absolutely know we are getting fucked badly, so I shouldn’t be saying to myself “I’m not sure I believe it’s that extreme”…

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      23 days ago

      The Patrick Webb (@Patrickwebb) guy on twitter only links to a publication called “Leading Report” who also doesn’t provide a reference.

      https://x.com/Patrickwebb/status/2081107766735740996
      https://theleadingreport.com/article/new-study-finds-that-a-minimum-wage-worker-in-1971-had-a-lifestyle-affordability

      Turns out Patrick Webb and Jacob Cabe started Leading Report to make their Twitter fakes more believable by being able to link to a website.

      https://science.feedback.org/who-is-behind-the-misleading-leading-report

      Your instincts were spot on.

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        Yo, thanks for doing the work on this. I was really curious about the sources for this, because I’d love to show it to some people I know who don’t engage in these sorts of spaces that haven’t yet woken up to the plight of the proletariat that they in fact share.

        I made my comment in between waking up and getting my morning chores done, so I was hopeful someone would be able to cite the study during the work week this week as me and my coworkers gripe about rising costs, hopeful that’d shake some of them out of their rabid dedication to the messaging of the Republican party. It’s a shame it’s a farce.

        I understand media literacy is on the decline, and I understand the appeal to want to say things like this because they certainly feel true, but I wasn’t alive in '71 and this sort of comparison, while poignant, requires some more study and math than I think is approachable to the average bear.

        We all gotta be on the lookout for dishonest actors like this. These kind of tactics are exactly what the far right have been doing for decades to fool their base.

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    23 days ago

    I was complaining to a Gen Z’er about the price of McDonalds and they go, “Well actually you can get the ‘real’ price by downloading the app” and I couldn’t figure out how to explain to them that all of this was bullshit loopholes in the past 10 years. All the convenience fees, service fees, download the app, nickeling and dime bullshit has conditioned young people to believe that it’s okay to accept this shit.

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      23 days ago

      I think constantly about how my grandparents and their generation were the ones keeping the stupid at bay.

      My existential adult fear now is that I’ll die, go to heaven, and have to explain all this to my grandparents while looking them in the eye.