Eh, it can definitely be abused. Worked a union job and we were allowed so many sick days which you were supposed to accumulate so that if you like, broke your leg you could potentially have like 6 months of sick time to recover.
But one guy would just call in sick every Friday basically and we had to cover his extra duties. He wasn’t sick, just abused the system.
Us workers need to have some solidarity for each other otherwise employers will take advantage.
At the end of the day we are all but numbers in some assholes spreadsheet, they would reduce the numbers in a heartbeat. It business. The sooner you understand that the easier it will get.
I am sorry I don’t understand the logic here, the employer not hiring enough people and then making the workers feel bad for taking time off is the actual selfish behavior here.
Even a fully staffed property isn’t going to have people that just sit around and wait for shifts to fill.
Someone will have to cover your missed shifts or work harder in your absence. If you’re sick, call in sick. But don’t just randomly call in because you want another day off. Schedule it in advance.
Because it wasn’t some million dollar corporation exploiting employees. Some jobs actually have decent employers and I knew all it would do is make work harder for my coworkers. Personally I view it as a dick move to do.
It was a non profit animal sanctuary so not only do the workers get shafted the animals the guy was supposed to care for also got shafted.
Not every employer is bent on exploiting employees, but when employees treat every employer as if they are it makes it harder for the good ones to provide decent working conditions.
Employees can absolutely take advantage of employers and I think its silly that people think all employers all evil and all employees are innocent victims that should exploit everything.
Here in Australia the underlying legislation and case law only allows you to take personal leave in specific circumstances. Generally, because you’re unwell, an immediate family member is unwell and you’re caring for them, or due to an emergency. Specific companies might relax those requirements but they can’t make them more arduous.
Employers can ask for reasonable evidence that you met one of these criteria. For example, they can ask you to obtain confirmation from a Dr. If you go to a Dr and ask for confirmation and merely say “I feel a bit worn out and just really needed a few hours to unwind”, they will give you the confirmation.
With all this in mind, yes, taking leave regularly when you’re not really sick is abuse of the system.
Because the intention is to use the time when you are actually sick not use it to work 4-day work weeks. And using it like that means when the guy actually needs 6 months off for an emergency he won’t have the sick time to use, so basically puts all that work back on us double. And people who use it in the unintended way are why a lot of workplaces don’t offer lots of sick time for emergencies. Instead eventually we will only get the minimum 5 days per year that resets annually instead of accumulating and then they hire another worker with the savings.
Yes that helps with the workload but the rest of us get screwed since we won’t have an emergency backup of sick time to use anymore because someone used it in an unintended way.
An employer here can send a doctor to your home to check if you’re really sick if they’re suspecting you to abuse the system. If you’re not at home then you’re in trouble. It can backfire of course. My dad got a visit from a doctor hired by his boss when he was really sick, the guy did his diagnostic, and gave my dad a few extra days of sick leave because the doc found sending him back to work on schedule was not a good idea.
Eh, it can definitely be abused. Worked a union job and we were allowed so many sick days which you were supposed to accumulate so that if you like, broke your leg you could potentially have like 6 months of sick time to recover.
But one guy would just call in sick every Friday basically and we had to cover his extra duties. He wasn’t sick, just abused the system.
Why didn’t you do the same? I would have.
Us workers need to have some solidarity for each other otherwise employers will take advantage.
At the end of the day we are all but numbers in some assholes spreadsheet, they would reduce the numbers in a heartbeat. It business. The sooner you understand that the easier it will get.
Because your coworkers have to work harder in your absence? Stop being such a selfish prick.
I am sorry I don’t understand the logic here, the employer not hiring enough people and then making the workers feel bad for taking time off is the actual selfish behavior here.
Even a fully staffed property isn’t going to have people that just sit around and wait for shifts to fill.
Someone will have to cover your missed shifts or work harder in your absence. If you’re sick, call in sick. But don’t just randomly call in because you want another day off. Schedule it in advance.
Because it wasn’t some million dollar corporation exploiting employees. Some jobs actually have decent employers and I knew all it would do is make work harder for my coworkers. Personally I view it as a dick move to do.
It was a non profit animal sanctuary so not only do the workers get shafted the animals the guy was supposed to care for also got shafted.
Not every employer is bent on exploiting employees, but when employees treat every employer as if they are it makes it harder for the good ones to provide decent working conditions.
Employees can absolutely take advantage of employers and I think its silly that people think all employers all evil and all employees are innocent victims that should exploit everything.
So you’re saying the system was abused because someone used every sick day available to him?
Here in Australia the underlying legislation and case law only allows you to take personal leave in specific circumstances. Generally, because you’re unwell, an immediate family member is unwell and you’re caring for them, or due to an emergency. Specific companies might relax those requirements but they can’t make them more arduous.
Employers can ask for reasonable evidence that you met one of these criteria. For example, they can ask you to obtain confirmation from a Dr. If you go to a Dr and ask for confirmation and merely say “I feel a bit worn out and just really needed a few hours to unwind”, they will give you the confirmation.
With all this in mind, yes, taking leave regularly when you’re not really sick is abuse of the system.
This is why some people will always be slaves to capitalism.
Sorry mate I suspect you might be more of a slave to capitalism than I am.
Because I believe in taking all the time off I can?
I guess so?
Are you part of a team that’s working towards achieving things that are meaningful to you? Do you find your work challenging and satisfying?
If you believe in taking personal leave when you’re not unwell lest you be a slave to capitalism then I doubt either of those things are really true.
Why not let that be a problem for the management and enjoy your fair sick days?
Because the intention is to use the time when you are actually sick not use it to work 4-day work weeks. And using it like that means when the guy actually needs 6 months off for an emergency he won’t have the sick time to use, so basically puts all that work back on us double. And people who use it in the unintended way are why a lot of workplaces don’t offer lots of sick time for emergencies. Instead eventually we will only get the minimum 5 days per year that resets annually instead of accumulating and then they hire another worker with the savings.
Yes that helps with the workload but the rest of us get screwed since we won’t have an emergency backup of sick time to use anymore because someone used it in an unintended way.
stop victim blaming boot licker
Typical Redditor mentality.
An employer here can send a doctor to your home to check if you’re really sick if they’re suspecting you to abuse the system. If you’re not at home then you’re in trouble. It can backfire of course. My dad got a visit from a doctor hired by his boss when he was really sick, the guy did his diagnostic, and gave my dad a few extra days of sick leave because the doc found sending him back to work on schedule was not a good idea.