• Random_Character_A@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    So, can something exist that is in no way quantium entangled with anything that comprises your experience of existence?

    If you subscribe to the multiworld principle, basically anything potentially viable can and will.

    Can something exist if you are not aware of it?

    Most of reality. Human experience is quite limited.

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    3 months ago

    At one point no one knew how gravity worked and yet the earth still orbited the sun

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    3 months ago

    The duality behind being both aware of something that can exist without your knowledge while also not being aware of its existence. Depending on if it’s conception has been conceived first. Then it would exist without any knowledge and would count. But if you know it can exist than its already a possibility.

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    3 months ago

    Animals are sometimes declared ‘extinct’ (no one is aware of any living examples) while they still exist (sometimes for decades).

    Until 1967, noone was aware of the existence of gamma-ray bursts, the result of the biggest explosions in the universe. The bursts were only visible to specialized satellites.

    Right now, people are suffering from diseases caused by unknown viruses.

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      3 months ago

      I know this example, but I want to see what people think from their own point of view. Like,Do things exist independently of our awareness of them?

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        3 months ago

        Yes they do. Otherwise we would never discover anything. Unless one would mean that the people who have discovered everything that has ever been discovered were also the creators of those things. And that seems far-fetched.

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        3 months ago

        This morning I met a man I had never seen before. I was not aware of him. Are you asking me if I think he existed before I met him?

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    3 months ago

    People were dying en-masse because you had doctors not washing their hands when moving from autopsies to giving birth.

    No one was aware about the germs that are causing this. It still killed people.

    This is true for most of the early medicine/illneses/hygiene, this was just an example I remember. Especially in regards to germs and bacteries, the humanity wasn’t even close to getting it right.

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    3 months ago

    This isn’t really an answer to your question, but I think it’s more in the spirit of it than some of the actual answers you’re getting;

    Does something exist just because you observed it?

    • Meow@lemmy.ml
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      3 months ago

      As fiction exists but describes things that may not exist, I think the answer is also yes.

    • Ahmed@lemmy.zipOP
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      3 months ago

      Maybe we’re not aware of a non-existent thing itself, but of an idea or perception in our minds.

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        3 months ago

        How does this differ from having an idea or perception in our minds about existing things?

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            3 months ago

            But are we aware of existing things in themselves, apart from the idea and perception in our minds?

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          3 months ago

          I think me and Ahmed gave the same answer, but with mine being indirect using an example, and Ahmed’s answer being direct, so maybe people had a harder time understanding Ahmed’s answer.

  • Melobol@lemmy.ml
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    3 months ago

    Technically they exist.
    But do they exist for you if you don’t even think of them? Theological/ philosophycal views might say no.
    Tho you can still be affected by unkown therefore “non-existent” things.
    Nowadays I call “tap to pay” magic. I know the very basic things to go in there - but I couldn’t recreate it. Thos is kinda the same tone as your question.

  • deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz
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    3 months ago

    Yes. Because people are not the only observers.

    What qualify as observers though? Or, how far divorced from an event counts as unobserved?

    If a tree falls in a forest and scares a rabbit which a dog barks at which I hear… is that chain of observation enough to grant existence to the tree?

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      3 months ago

      Does existence only count if there is an observer to observe it? I don’t understand this notion.

      I think about this every time I drive long distances, passing through forest.

      “That tree over there is just standing there, all hours of every day, winter and summer, just waiting. Then I drive by it for 2 seconds. Then it still stands there, waiting.”

      Similarly I think of rocks rotating in silence around planets, stars. Or orphan rocks around galaxies, in darkness, and also silence. They’re just there, for millions of millennia. Without anyone’s knowledge. But surely they exist.