I switched from Gmail to Proton, but now with everything coming out about Proton I’m switching from them too. I started using Posteo which I like but a lot of my accounts having to do with money and finance (including my bank) aren’t accepting the Posteo email. They have rejected it over and over and even locked me out stating that I was hacked.
Do you guys have any recommendations for email providers to use that also won’t send red flags to my more official accounts?
If it helps, I’m US-based.
What trust are you expecting to get out of an ancient and inherently insecure protol to begin with?
I would like to cite a part from cock.li website:
How can I trust you?
You can’t.
Proton, Tuta, Murena…
Maybe banks flag it because Posteo is a German company and they don’t see it as international? Did you raise a ticket with either your bank or Posteo as you’re paying for both their services?
Thats what I was thinking too. I was considering opening a ticket with my bank but trying to do that with sites like Paypal and my phone company are extra hassles since their customer services feel non-existant.
I’d love input on this too. I went all in on Proton and it’s aging like milk.
it’s aging like milk.
Becoming cheese?
Tuta is awesome. You can try their free tier for an unlimited time, so no need to rush it.
Ive been really considering Tuta as my next choice. Do you find it difficult or easy to use for your accounts like bills/finance/important?
I used tuta for a long time ans never had any issues. I recently switched only because I wanted to be able to send emails from my self hosted services ans they don’t support anything but they’re own clients. If that’s not a problem for you the tuta is a great option.
I like and use Migadu.
Interesting, never heard of that before, I’ll check it out
Yea I’m happy at Migadu as well, it’s been 2 years since the switch, not a single hiccup.
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Mailbox.org lets you keep your own private key.
Every email provider lets you keep your own private key if you do encryption using the interoperable OpenPGP standard using software running on your own computer. Many email providers will recommend that you do exactly that, and will helpfully instruct you about how to do so (eg, the more reputable options in this thread such as migadu.com, mailbox.org, posteo.de, and even fastmail.com all have instructions for how to use some implementation of pgp to encrypt your email).
Meanwhile any company selling non-standard “email encryption” (eg, proton and tuta) which is not compatible with pgp (or, in the corporate world, s/mime, which is also a standard…) is firmly in the snake oil business and should be distrusted and boycotted regardless of which shitty youtubers they’re sponsoring this week.
I hope more people pay attention to your response. Spot on.
I’m in the same situation, and I’m now seriously considering going all full Infomaniak which has a very good reputation for hosting and privacy. They have a whole suite like Google and even better than Proton’s. Mail, drive, office… Free for up to 15GB then pretty cheap for more. They are in Switzerland and I believe the law there is protective, making the whole service pretty trustworthy imo.
Infomaniak may have changed since I tried making an account there, but when I did they asked for an address and phone number which I was not willing to provide.
Right, I forgot about that…
Please note that they may do a kyc on you at any point. I tried using infomaniak for getting a domain and they asked for kyc, I had to upload my id. Needles to say I cancelled. I have never been asked anywhere else for my id when buying a domain. I asked them why and they said they do it occasionally 🤷
Right, if you want absolute anonymity they might not be the best since they also ask for the phone number on subscription as stated in another comment. Then the question would be about trust. I mean, I wouldn’t trust with my data someone I wouldn’t trust with my ID or my phone number.
Its not about absolute anonymity, but my ID is something that I will not hand out for a piece of chocolate. For me there are levels of trust. I can trust someone to give them my name but not give them copy of my id. If your name leaks is not as problematic as if the copy of your ID leaks. Same way I can trust someone to even just use their service, but not with e.g. my timezone/location data. You know what I mean right?
Yeah I know what you mean. Pretty hard to find the good one…
Been using fastmail for ~8 years now. No complaints
Consider getting your own domain name and pointing it at a provider, then when they enshittify you just switch provider and don’t have to change all your emails everywhere again.
BRILLIANT!!!
BRILLIANT
Well… it has advantages, for sure. Also drawbacks. A custom domain, that ties together all your separate email addresses.
There are let’s say 16 addresses on mysuperbestnumberonemail dot com. One used at a bank, one on a shopping site, 4 on a social media site, and one each at some utilities. Those are the ONLY uses of that domain for email in the whole world.
Where if it’s a domain millions of others use, then addresses are harder to pinpoint down to one person.
That might matter to someone. Or it might not. Depends on what you care about. Just something to be aware of. A custom domain is a huge fingerprinting signal.
Huh I never thought about this. This is something I’ll have to do some research on, thanks.
Go for it. It’s surprisingly easy, relatively inexpensive and gives you way more control.
Well proven strategy, to the point where most providers explicitly allow it (might even be a decider). But don’t trust me (genuinely), Moar research! (please)).
This is how I use Proton. The setup process is really easy with clear instructions on what to configure in your DNS provider.
The only problem I have is that gmail rejects emails from my domain, I have to use proton’s address.Well, that sucks. Guess you must hate the people who reject you. What domain? yy?
If Gmail is rejecting your custom domain, you haven’t setup your SPF, or DKIM records etc for you custom domain that authorizes proton to be a valid email sender.
E.g when Gmai receives an email from a custom domain it will look up records to confirm the mail server sending it is valid.
Checkout https://proton.me/support/anti-spoofing-custom-domain or search proton SPF DKIM for guides.
You wouldnt have issues sending from a proton domain as they already have these in place for you.
You need to build up reputation before you can beat spam filters. This happens all the time to new domains. Make sure to have Dmarc and Dkim configured.
There’s also Thundermail, if they ever get around to actually opening it up . . .
I must be out of the loop. What’s the issue with Proton?
Same. No idea what OP is talking about and I’m usually up to speed on stuff. Nobody has answered either so it’s probably an old article from a couple months ago about that cia inquiry or whatever (can’t recall). Idk what else. They always have a bad rep here, but it’s better than pretty much everything else, minus maybe a few one-offs.
@[email protected] proton keeps publicly dog whistling fascists/maga and – hopefully – by accident.
I thought it was the X posts from 2023 or 2024 supporting Drumph or the GOP.
that’s how it started and it escalated to proton itself paying a french fascist to make a video a few days ago.
I was just reading their response to that. I skipped down to the part where they said their ad buys are sort of not their fault? lol
Edit: added link
I skipped down to the part where they said their ad buys are sort of not their fault? lol
don’t you just hate it when your money spends itself all on its own and w/o your control? lol
There is absolutely no evidence for it. He went to lobby in DC, and apparently, some GOP folks had time for him but Dems didn’t. Could have been the opposite on different day based on several factors.
Then recently, the marketing firm they hired put a sponsorship on a far right guy’s video. They accepted full accountability for the mistake and said they would change procedures to get those being sponsored vetted appropriately.
Neither one of these are evidence of being MAGA. You can personally lobby in DC and find an individual of an opposite party who might have interest in your message. Just because Grainger played a commercial during satanic music videos doesn’t mean they are Dimmu Borgir fans. It just means people who listen to metal need tools too.
They guy might be a fascist dick for all I know. I’m just saying that the situations above do not indicate that it is the case. In fact, fascists typically never admit fault or accept accountability for anything. The only concern for me is that he was lobbying in the US at all, but that is the only way you can get your case heard sometimes if you need politicians to hear a different side of an argument.
I think they sponsored a right-wing French Youtuber, but they publicly apologised and said they didn’t know his political alignment.
Is that the whole thing? Genuinely asking.
That is the whole thing.
Seems…pretty thin tbh. I’m not ready to throw baby out with bathwater just yet.
Proton’s a good alternative.
There’s some confused allegations of them being MAGA Facists. But it’s a combination of misunderstanding and misrepresentation.There’s some confused allegations of them being MAGA Facists. But it’s a combination of misunderstanding and misrepresentation.
funny how they’re the only ones in this space that keeps making this mistake
Is it funny?
By a sizeable margin they’re the largest and most popular in the space. At the same time, that makes them the biggest target and most watched.Someone even mentioned a possible smear campaign by Google. While there’s no evidence at all of that, they would be the most obvious target.
So it’s not really funny or odd in any way. It’s kind of obvious really.
tuta seems to avoid making this “mistake” and it too has a sizeable following as well as a full complement of privacy respecting services that can rival proton.
They realy aren’t, and don’t.
Tuta doesn’t have even half the user base, or services.They aren’t bad at all. And I don’t doubt they’ll get there.
But they aren’t at all close yet.
I’ve been using purelymail with my own domains. It’s cheap and it works. Depending on the receiving service, sent items do sometimes end up in spam.
