• Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    It doesn’t confuse me. It doesn’t mean what you think it does, as Ukraine is not a template.

    • NoiseColor @lemmy.world
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      2 days ago

      Look, take it easy. I know you are a kid, because you lack the self-confidence to ask people what they mean (and you shared a cartoon). But I can tell you, people that ask look way smarter than people that try to make it into a weird confrontation. Today you can just paste stuff into chatgpt or something and let it explain and for sure write a better response than you did, no offense. Plus, if you want an honest exchange of opinion, you must likely won’t get it with an arrogant behavior, but by taking a few minutes and replying with something thoughtful. You got my 10 minutes, but that’s done. Have a nice evening.

      • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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        2 days ago

        Yeah, I’m middle-aged. You’re on quite a roll here.

        Just don’t use words you don’t understand, it’s a bad look.

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          2 days ago

          How embarassing then. Anyways what people are refusing to tell you (because it’s obvious) is that being at the center of a paradigm and being at the center of a geographical landmass are different things.

          • Matty Roses@lemmy.today
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            1 day ago

            Ukraine is neither the center geographically nor strategically of any defense of the EU.

            being at the center of a paradigm

            Yeah, once again, you don’t know what that word means. I suggest you look it up.

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              1 day ago

              Ok, double-checked the definition, it means exactly what I thought it does. You’re going to have to explain your argument like an adult if you want me to respond further to explain how you are wrong.

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                10 hours ago

                it means exactly what I thought it does

                Oh, OK. What is the replicable pattern of “defense” that is Ukraine, then?

                You seem to mean strategy. Ukraine is not the center of European defense strategy, but at least that word isn’t just nonsense.

                to explain your argument like an adult

                Yes, this does feel like I’m talking to a 3 year old

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                  4 hours ago

                  The beat you can do is “no u”?

                  Anyways /uj for a second, “paradigm” has more than one definition. I think you’re using a different one than we were, which is roughly “a method or framework for thought”. A paradigm is a way of thinking about something, or a set of tools and methods used to do so. This is the definition used in the phrase “paradigm shift” and is pretty common; it overlaps with, but is different to, using “paradigm” to refer to an exceptional example of something to replicate. Saying Ukraine will be at the center of the european defense paradigm means that it will be used as a foundational point of reference when discussing defense, and its capabilities will be key to our defense strategy.

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                    4 hours ago

                    Saying Ukraine will be at the center of the european defense paradigm means that it will be used as a foundational point of reference when discussing defense, and its capabilities will be key to our defense strategy.

                    And again, that is meaningless unless you’re claiming you will replicate Ukraine’s defense in other places.

                    Nor is Ukraine “foundational”, unless you think that all of Europe is a former part of the USSR that was also the center of WWII against the Russian state of the time. If you’d like to suggest some other country that fits that “paradigm”, I’m all ears.

                    Ukraine isn’t foundational - it’s a proxy war now abandoned by the US that too much of Europe has decided to let anchor it.