We all lift together.
The health benefits and insurance can be sig ificant portion of pay. The min wage burger flippers likely dont get that, even with laws increasing min wage.
Employees like this are kept under the minimum hours to qualify for benefits on purpose.
Yeah in decent countries the min wage and being able to afford a broken leg (or similar accident) aren’t as closely related. Mean maybe only got so many sick / vacation days but the actual cost of treatment isn’t what you’re worried about. At worse you’d be out the money you’d make during non working days, not much of an actual cost (okay in Canada I had to pay for the crutches when I twisted my knee one close to Xmas time slipping on ice, unfortunately didn’t realize it just needed a good knock in to get right till that happened)
There are worse situations but that’s probably the worst case scenario (well outlying cases exist) that most people come into for the most part is all. Of course some worst cases exist but expecting someone to pay 5 plus digits (okay I know that’s even low) of expenses for medical is insane.
And the union would have more justification for negotiating a new even higher wage then they currently have.
It’s kind of sad that people are so motivated by jealousy. Like why would I care if other people have it better?
I think jealousy gets a bad rap. It tells you what you want, and what you personally or society could work toward.
Seeing what someone else has and taking that as information to then decide what you want is not jealousy. Jealousy is seeing what someone else has and hating them for it. It deserves a bad rap.
You’re talking about ambition, or something else.
Jealousy and envy are not the same thing, although the nuance is subtle. What you’re talking about is closer to envy. You can be envious of something or someone without the hostility that turns it into jealousy.
I disagree. I believe that you choose for it to be envy or jealousy by your definition.
It’s not my definition. That is the subtle difference between the two words. But, most people use both words for the same thing, and most people only use the word jealousy for both things.
Merriam Webster has an interesting paragraph on the page for jealousy about it: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/jealousy
You can also check the definitions of jealous and envious yourself, you’ll see that one is defined through hostility of some sort.
The nuance is usually clear through context no matter which word you use, though. But I think that when you use it in a generic manner like you did, using the right word is best.
Again, both words are responses to the emotion and a choice.
No, they stem from different emotions.
Don’t blow their mind by pointing out how emotions take objects and how that scuttles their position.
What my friend was conveying is that envy is the want for something–usually that another has–and jealousy is the fear of losing something that one already has.
The interchangeable usage, e.g. by teenagers, based on a vague understanding is just that (for adults it crystalizes into something normative though they’re probably unaware of it, ego defense mechanisms lol).
Everyone loves Nietche but no one is actually living Nietche. Sure it’s a useful tool if you stop, analyze this emotion and built from it but how many people are actually capable of this in practice? Instead people just get captured by the emotion and never progress.
I don’t think pop culture will ever view jealousy as a positive emotion until we collectively learn emotions.
You gotta start somewhere.
kids are indoctrinated from school to seek out “high skill” jobs and look down on anyone making less
Capitalism pretends to be positive sum, but it trains us all to act as if society is a zero sum game.
Crabs in a bucket
The crab will legit only escape and live if it gets enough other crabs under it to reach the rim of the bucket. I guess you’re saying people act like that even when they don’t need to?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crab_mentality
The metaphor is derived from anecdotal claims about the behavior of crabs contained in an open bucket: if a crab starts to climb out,[3] it will be pulled back in by the others, ensuring the group’s collective demise.[4][5][6]
Ohhhhhh
I don’t think it is fair for a person dedicating years of life towards higher education and becoming a professional to earn the same as someone who doesn’t. Its not jealousy, its just unfair. If earnings are flat, what motivates someone from getting educated and growing as a person?
The US was build on the “fuck you I got mine” mentality.
if they started making what I make, I’d see if they were hiring!!!
Honestly dude. If food service paid well and had good working conditions I’d love to be a cook over an office worker.
Solidarity!
rAmen, comrade! ✊🏼
Intentional or not, packed ramen is great whatever your wealth level
My thing is I don’t want to be on top. I want to live in a society where I can be on the bottom and have a good life.
I, too, wish I could be society’s bottom…
well I said can be at the bottom. Its polite to take turns.
Mom said it’s my turn to be the society’s bottom next!
cum now. You know its daddy who makes those decisions.
Vers society.
I don’t mind being society’s bottom as long as there’s a safe word.
But do you want to main bottom, or off bottom? Like, are you an aggro build, or a damage build?
Same dude same. I wanna be a maillady who pets kitties and does fart walks daily to deliver mail. And afford the basics.
Why is it too much to ask?!
These kinds of walks are unfamiliar to me. Please tell me more.
Or from a more selfish perspective: an increase in burger flipping wages greatly increases your bargaining power in your own salary negotiations.
“For that wage I could just as well be flipping burgers, and that comes with much lower risk of personal injury.”
Never forget that solidarity benefits you personally, no matter how much the owning class and media try to pit us against each other. Also death to Israel.
My thought, if you don’t think someone preparing your food deserves to make a living wage to prepare your food, you shouldn’t get that food…
I don’t care how simple a job is time is not free, we should all make a living wage
If the rising floor makes things cramped, it is time to raise the roof not break the floor.
Or probably my favorite political quote ever for its combination of both ideology, practicality, AND brevity:
We all do well when we ALL do well
(Paul Wellstone, emphasis mine)
A rising tide lifts all boats.
Yeah it’s weird when people typically assume you would resent people getting something you don’t have, or getting it with less effort than it took you - because they would resent this and they assume your mind must work the same way theirs does.
Oddly, though, they’re all massive bootlickers and will try to find any reason why billionaires are totally fair and good hardworkers. TheyMre just pathetic.
Oddly not tho. Surprisingly I also see this very clear assumption coming from people who are very anti-billionaire.
It’s more about the owner class than anything. If you deny support to politicians seeking to raise the minimum wage and/or vote for politicians who talk about how the minimum wage concept is evil then you almost certainly are not taking any actions which are anti-billionaire/anti-owner class.
They think rich people are really smart and deserve what they “worked very hard for”. They genuinely believe that the rich “assume the risk so deserve the money” despite them never facing consequences while having incredibly basic ideas. They hate that someone “beneath” them would make money and can’t think hard enough to understand that that would mean they’d get to demand more pay, too. There are even people who think that owners can do whatever they want as long as its legal and they deliberately ignore any nuance regarding what legality is and they jump straight over the concept of baseline morality to tell you that it’s your fault for not changing jobs, as if that’s something you can just do easily(and is if there are better bosses readily available).
All of those examples are what you get when you listen to centrist and conservative media that’s shilling for aggressive capitalism(with state-funded safety nets for corporations, of course). If you say “I don’t think billionaires should be allowed, but all the systems which lead to them are fine” then you’re a complete moron.
Having more than your neighbors is a huge drive to human happiness. House size has no impact on happiness. Having the biggest house on the block is a huge happiness boost. Above the level needed for minimum sustainable food and shelter, wages have no impact on happiness. Making more money than your friends is a huge happiness boost.
It’s something about how we are wired as humans. Many of us have other drivers that are stronger than the drive to have more than others in our community, but to get social support any strategy for raising the living standard floor needs to acknowledge the issue of this hard-wired drive.
Genuinely I think building power lines sounds like an easier job. A lot less stressful at least. Assuming that both have the exact same hours and wage, I know which one I’d choose. If anything the burger flipper should earn more.
I don’t care, go live in your fancy gold mansions, just let me have a decent, low-maintenance room with AC and air filtration. I will sleep my ass off, then go volunteer for something.
Too much to ask for, sadly.
Anybody that’s offended by burger flippers making as much as them should be pointing that anger in the right direction. Towards their employer.
Well I come from a long line of bucket crabs
When the minimum wage was instituted, the intention was one full-time worker would be able to support the family of four suburban lifestyle. They’ve been gaslighting us for a long time.
The ONLY risk of a minimum wage or Living Wage is that companies that highly skilled workers earning the same might move to less skilled jobs. For this, the only rational action is to pay your skilled workers accordingly. FAIR PAY is not difficult when an executive team earn millions or billions.
FAIR PAY is difficult when the exec team funnels the money to themselves. Funding of their raises/bonuses shouldn’t be at the expense of ours
Also, Tax Wealth, Not Work.
