“I said on the campaign trail that I wouldn’t be attending, and I’ve made my views on the Israeli government clear,” Mamdani said at the same briefing.
I get it that the situation with Israel is different, because the Jewish diaspora ≠ Israeli diaspora, and the state of Israel has an undue and disproportionate influence over US politics due to AIPAC, lobbying, and dual citizens in Congress.
And that’s all without even mentioning the unmitigated war crimes of the settler-colonial project that is modern Israel.
But let’s not be ignorant. The US does celebrate other nations’ and cultures’ holidays, to an extent.
Cinco de mayo is purely a United Statesian holiday. Mexicans have no idea what it is. (I guess United Statesians dont either lol, but it is a US holiday.)
Fun history lesson, Cinco de Mayo was first celebrated in the Mexican communities of California. It celebrates the Mexican victory over the French at the Battle of Puebla in 1862. It was widely popularized by the Chicano movement in the 1950s.
Battle of Puebla Day was and sort of still is a holiday in Mexico, but it’s not on any official observances list, but school children do get the day off nationwide, and there’s reenactments and parades in Puebla. Widespread celebration fell off after the dictator who was fond of the holiday was deposed in 1911.
More fun history, the French won the Second Battle of Puebla a year later and then occupied Mexico City in their attempt to found a new Empire out of Mexico, because Napoleon the 3rd wanted one, but was way too incompetent to war with the rest of Europe. (He did some fighting in the Crimean War, but forgot to bring the artillery, the first Napoleon was an Artillery commander)
It’s not bad faith, you just made an unfortunate choice of example. It’s ok you can just say that wasn’t your intention and everyone moves on. Oops lol hehe etc.
It’s good faith to notice you chose the same country for example A and two neighboring countries for example B, unless you’re saying you chose the objectively two best possible examples or something.
Neither of those are comparable if you look at the contents of the events…or how they started…or even just the names.
IDO5 isn’t a celebration of Israeli culture. Its purpose is to celebrate the country/government. The theme of this parade is “Proud Americans, Proud Zionists”
I didn’t say they were directly comparable or perfect analogues. I even pointed out some of the differences.
I just said let’s not make incorrect statements that we don’t celebrate other nations’ holidays. Not sure what the issue with trying to shore up our logic a little bit is, but if you want to go on with points that are easily debunked when a slight change of phrasing would make it more seaworthy, then go ahead, just don’t be surprised when zionists start poking holes in your logic and dismissing your arguments.
A parade is a celebration. They can happen on holidays but that’s not a requirement. For example, a jazz funeral often includes a parade.
At this point, I have to assume you’re either trolling or just kind of dumb. Either way, I’m done and I hope you eat something that gives you diarrhea.
Yeah, and I pointed out two parades that are on holidays. What’s your point?
At this rate it seems you’re the one being either dumb or disingenuous. And I hope your ill-will turns around and bites you twice as hard as you wish it on me.
I get it that the situation with Israel is different, because the Jewish diaspora ≠ Israeli diaspora, and the state of Israel has an undue and disproportionate influence over US politics due to AIPAC, lobbying, and dual citizens in Congress.
And that’s all without even mentioning the unmitigated war crimes of the settler-colonial project that is modern Israel.
Yeah, it’s not my intent to make what amounts to an ignorant comment. My thought has always been that Cinco de Mayo and St Patrick Day celebrates cultures - not blatently stating that it’s a “country” celebration… The title of this parade, from an outsider looking in, doesn’t seem to emphasize the culture, but rather the country.
Around my area, we have the Polish Day Parade. The point to celebrate the Polish culture. In this case, calling it an Isreal Day Parade seems to bring the country as the subject, not the culture and not the Jewish religion.
Thank you for the additional color. I’ve participated in dozens of parades.
This one strikes me as very weird. So, good on Mamdani to sit that one out.
I think its igorant to celebrate a country engaged in war crimes that our government simply fails to acknowledge. How many medical staff have they killed this week alone? But we are having a parade for them? Thats the ignorant thing here.
I never said otherwise. If you just argue on it on those grounds instead of claiming the US doesn’t celebrate any other foreign holiday then I think you’ll have pretty solid logic.
Why is it we can never have a conversation about Israel without you fucking people lying about everything? It has to be deliberate.
Cinco de Mayo celebrates a culture, not a country.
St Patrick’s Day celebrates a culture, not a country.
What fucking culture are we celebrating with “Israel Day?”
Israel isn’t a culture. It’s a goddamn country currently led by a fascist, genocidial government.
These two things aren’t related. And if you’re not literally stupid, you KNOW that they’re not the same thing…and you still insist on making the argument? Go spread that Mossad Propaganda somewhere the fuck else.
I literally pointed out the differences and nuance and what the actual problem with the Israel Day parade is, but if you want to just ignore that like you didn’t read it at all, that’s fine, go ahead.
Why is it we can never have a conversation about Israel without you fucking people lying about everything? It has to be deliberate.
What conversation? It’s a river of hateorade as usual. Are you not Intertained? We hate Israel, end of story.
Oh wait, someone’s not on board with “carpet bombing them back to the biblical days they want to live in”? Looks like it’s shivvin’ time! And while the curb stomping continues, you can tut-tut and opine: why can’t we just have a conversation?
🎶🎵You know where you are? You’re in the Lefty Jungle, baby! You’re gonna diiiieeeee 🥁🎸🥁🎶🎵
(That’s a reference to a rock song called “In the Jungle”, not any sort of threat, just to be clear for those who may be unaware. Relax, everybody’s fine.)
St. Patrick’s Day? Cinco de Mayo?
I get it that the situation with Israel is different, because the Jewish diaspora ≠ Israeli diaspora, and the state of Israel has an undue and disproportionate influence over US politics due to AIPAC, lobbying, and dual citizens in Congress.
And that’s all without even mentioning the unmitigated war crimes of the settler-colonial project that is modern Israel.
But let’s not be ignorant. The US does celebrate other nations’ and cultures’ holidays, to an extent.
Cinco de mayo is purely a United Statesian holiday. Mexicans have no idea what it is. (I guess United Statesians dont either lol, but it is a US holiday.)
Fun history lesson, Cinco de Mayo was first celebrated in the Mexican communities of California. It celebrates the Mexican victory over the French at the Battle of Puebla in 1862. It was widely popularized by the Chicano movement in the 1950s.
Battle of Puebla Day was and sort of still is a holiday in Mexico, but it’s not on any official observances list, but school children do get the day off nationwide, and there’s reenactments and parades in Puebla. Widespread celebration fell off after the dictator who was fond of the holiday was deposed in 1911.
More fun history, the French won the Second Battle of Puebla a year later and then occupied Mexico City in their attempt to found a new Empire out of Mexico, because Napoleon the 3rd wanted one, but was way too incompetent to war with the rest of Europe. (He did some fighting in the Crimean War, but forgot to bring the artillery, the first Napoleon was an Artillery commander)
The same clown, Napoleon III, declared war against Prussia and got badly spanked. 1870 was a disaster for France.
And St Patrick’s Day is more of an America and Ireland thing. It’s certainly not British.
I never said it was British. What the fuck?
Op said British Day or Mexican Day parade and you responded with St Patrick’s Day and Cinco de Mayo.
OP also asked if there were any other country-focused parades out there. That’s the part I was responding to.
Latching onto the wrong part of the comment to miscontextualize my response is a bad faith argument.
It’s not bad faith, you just made an unfortunate choice of example. It’s ok you can just say that wasn’t your intention and everyone moves on. Oops lol hehe etc.
What? There have been a couple users who responded with good faith arguments, and I engaged with them in good faith.
There were also some who didn’t, and why would I waste my time trying with those?
It’s good faith to notice you chose the same country for example A and two neighboring countries for example B, unless you’re saying you chose the objectively two best possible examples or something.
So a response to your comment that was poorly phrased is a bad faith argument? Give me a break.
I learned about that (in detail) from a Youtube channel about booze, of all places. It was surprisingly interesting!
Checks out
Also please, let us pronounce it correctly. “Cinco de Drinko.”
Kooko de Burra
Neither of those are comparable if you look at the contents of the events…or how they started…or even just the names.
IDO5 isn’t a celebration of Israeli culture. Its purpose is to celebrate the country/government. The theme of this parade is “Proud Americans, Proud Zionists”
Wow you ain’t kiddin. https://zoa.org/events/parade/
Pretty weird, right? It’s not about something commemorative, it’s literally a propaganda parade.
Imagine St. Patrick’s Day parades where they push the idea that Ireland should conquer the British isles
I’m listening…
/s
I didn’t say they were directly comparable or perfect analogues. I even pointed out some of the differences.
I just said let’s not make incorrect statements that we don’t celebrate other nations’ holidays. Not sure what the issue with trying to shore up our logic a little bit is, but if you want to go on with points that are easily debunked when a slight change of phrasing would make it more seaworthy, then go ahead, just don’t be surprised when zionists start poking holes in your logic and dismissing your arguments.
Which was not what OP said in the first place.
What does this mean to you:
It means exactly what it says. Do you see the word holiday in that quote?
What days do parades happen on?
The two holidays I mentioned both involve parades.
Are you this dense, or just being disingenuous?
A parade is a celebration. They can happen on holidays but that’s not a requirement. For example, a jazz funeral often includes a parade.
At this point, I have to assume you’re either trolling or just kind of dumb. Either way, I’m done and I hope you eat something that gives you diarrhea.
Yeah, and I pointed out two parades that are on holidays. What’s your point?
At this rate it seems you’re the one being either dumb or disingenuous. And I hope your ill-will turns around and bites you twice as hard as you wish it on me.
Take your bullshit Mossad Propaganda somewhere else.
As far as I’m concerned, Israel is lucky they haven’t been carpet bombed back into the Biblical days they want to live in.
My bullshit Mossad propaganda:
Literally.
Forget it, Jake. It’s Tankietown.
Ain’t that just the truth. Can’t have a serious discussion here.
Have you tried NOT pimping for child-murdering zionists?
Quiet, you.
Whoever you support, are you aware that they all murder children? Repeatedly? For decades?
Check it out.
Here’s where you charge me with whataboutism while whatabouting
p.s. look up “pimping”
You’re barking up the wrong tree bud
Yeah, it’s not my intent to make what amounts to an ignorant comment. My thought has always been that Cinco de Mayo and St Patrick Day celebrates cultures - not blatently stating that it’s a “country” celebration… The title of this parade, from an outsider looking in, doesn’t seem to emphasize the culture, but rather the country.
Around my area, we have the Polish Day Parade. The point to celebrate the Polish culture. In this case, calling it an Isreal Day Parade seems to bring the country as the subject, not the culture and not the Jewish religion.
No it’s true based on a comment above this appears to NOT commemorate any particular historical event but just a thing. https://zoa.org/events/parade/
Thank you for the additional color. I’ve participated in dozens of parades. This one strikes me as very weird. So, good on Mamdani to sit that one out.
That makes sense, and I agree. I even mentioned the differences in my comment.
I just feel like phrasing it a little better makes for more solid logic so that it’s not as easy to refute or dismiss as is
I think its igorant to celebrate a country engaged in war crimes that our government simply fails to acknowledge. How many medical staff have they killed this week alone? But we are having a parade for them? Thats the ignorant thing here.
I never said otherwise. If you just argue on it on those grounds instead of claiming the US doesn’t celebrate any other foreign holiday then I think you’ll have pretty solid logic.
16 de septiembre (Día de la Independencia de México) or Día de muertos, please. Both have parades now.
Those are for a culture not geography
They should have called it the jew-rade parade. That would have been cooler.
Why is it we can never have a conversation about Israel without you fucking people lying about everything? It has to be deliberate.
Cinco de Mayo celebrates a culture, not a country. St Patrick’s Day celebrates a culture, not a country.
What fucking culture are we celebrating with “Israel Day?”
Israel isn’t a culture. It’s a goddamn country currently led by a fascist, genocidial government.
These two things aren’t related. And if you’re not literally stupid, you KNOW that they’re not the same thing…and you still insist on making the argument? Go spread that Mossad Propaganda somewhere the fuck else.
I literally pointed out the differences and nuance and what the actual problem with the Israel Day parade is, but if you want to just ignore that like you didn’t read it at all, that’s fine, go ahead.
Jackass.
Blah blah blah
Fucking Mossad Propagandist.
https://sopuli.xyz/comment/23813765
🙄
I can’t take you seriously.
Why do you think I care if you take me seriously?
You’re pimping for people who murder children. As far as I’m concerned, I hope you get what Trump deserves.
I don’t care whether you care or not, that’s the thing. Stop flattering yourself.
This you:
And you:
Gee, I wonder why no one wants to have a conversation with a gaslighting asshole?
Yeah you’re right, no one wants to have a conversation with you.
What conversation? It’s a river of hateorade as usual. Are you not Intertained? We hate Israel, end of story.
Oh wait, someone’s not on board with “carpet bombing them back to the biblical days they want to live in”? Looks like it’s shivvin’ time! And while the curb stomping continues, you can tut-tut and opine: why can’t we just have a conversation?
🎶🎵You know where you are? You’re in the Lefty Jungle, baby! You’re gonna diiiieeeee 🥁🎸🥁🎶🎵
(That’s a reference to a rock song called “In the Jungle”, not any sort of threat, just to be clear for those who may be unaware. Relax, everybody’s fine.)
Oh look, another Republican pretending to be a Democrat gets outed because he tried to make a joke and it flopped because no Republicans are funny.
Hahaha - that is funny