• charlieBox@lemmy.zip
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    Are you willing to due first? There’s a big problem that the last few generations of people don’t know war and are to willing to get into it.

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      Nope. I am not prescribing a solution here. I am asking if people believe there is any other solution, and if there is hope to avoid it.

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    The not-Republicans seem less hell-bent on destroying everything for some accelerationist ideology. That’s about all I see. I think if we can get a progressive, perhaps AOC in office, and it’s possible to save us, she’ll not hold back, having seen how Trump used the office. That’s my only hope of not having a violent revolution someday, but I think there will be many years, probably decades of disasters to live through first.

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    I highly recommend you read Blueprint for a Revolution by Sroja Popovic. Dude was involved in the Serbian revolution and has advised movements around the world on what works against fascist regimes and what doesn’t. Our hope isn’t in a party, it’s in the people. And violence not only isn’t required for a Revolution, it’s not anywhere near as effective as non-violent resistance.

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    Oh, sweet summer child. The Democrats don’t even have an interest in reforming the system, which is why nothing changes even when they have a majority in congress. Reformism is dead. Only a revolution can save the working class from the stranglehold of capital.

    Now, is a revolution in the US forthcoming? Unless conditions change dramatically, I would say not. But we have entered the weeks where decades happen and left the decades where weeks happen. If you want to be prepared, organize and read theory; having a reality-based perspective will help you regardless of where we’re headed.

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      If revolution happens right now, it’s going to be oops! All reactionaries.

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        Not today, not next year. I’m uncertain about the mid-to-long range projection, like 5-10 years or beyond. I think either people will wake up and revolution will be a real possibility as our living conditions deteriorate, or we’ll be completely enclosed by the panopticon and the Jakarta method will come home. It all boils dowm to socialism or barbarism, at the end of the day.

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          or we’ll be completely enclosed by the panopticon and the Jakarta method will come home.

          Heaven forbid!

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            I’m convinced it’s an inevitability as they can no longer cheaply buy off the entire population, losing their trade leverage & the asset inflation intended for them to chip off of.

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              UAE just aligned with USA/Israel, and KSA is reportedly seeking a peace agreement similar to the Helsinki agreement outline. With the rise of BRICS and the CIA psyops narrative becoming exposed and beginning to crumble for more and more rational people, hope may not be as empty as it seems!

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                I have hope for the third world, at least. I’m much more cautious about the fate of the working class in the heart of the imperial core.

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    I am quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away but with blood. I had, as I know think vainly, flattered myself that without very much bloodshed it might be done.

    • John Brown
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      John Brown

      Perfectly normal reaction to slavery. The sickest among us are well adjusted to this unjust world. Like a gambling addict who always wins. Until they dont…

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      Never forget- John Brown is the first American hung for treason. The Confederate leaders got minimal incarceration (if any), pardoned, or just walked back into society like nothing happened. Then they built statutes, named schools, and carved a mountainside with their images. Our only consolation is that Stonewall got shot by his own troops and died in agony a few days later after having his arm sawn off.

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    It’s a class war, now combined with AI sucking up the most basic of living resources, from us to the billionaires’ latest pet project.

    Everything else is a distraction. Remember, up to 50% (depending on what study you read) of social media is bots.

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    Well, it depends on what you mean by “fixing it”. Could things be reformed to meet a status quo similar to pre-1970 without violence? Sure. Reform like that would be difficult, it would take decades, and it would take a lot of political will. Reform like that would be akin to a house of cards, all it would take is a single Republican majority for a single term to knock it back down. I also think reforms like that are completely inadequate to resolving the underlying problem that has put us in these times: capitalism. Assuming reform is successful, we’ll be right back in the same spot about 80 years later. For things to be truly fixed, we need to overthrow capitalism. This will be violent and tumultuous.

    Is reforms from Democrats enough?

    Lol. Lmao. Definitely not. Democrats have no solutions.

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    Nothing will change until we group together and stop exploitation. This includes how America has propagandize that all violence is equal. Nothing is going to change unless some bricks go through some windows and I think we are past even that. Not a single person in power is on our side.

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    Is reforms from Democrats enough?

    “They’ve got a set of Republican waiters on one side and a set of Democratic waiters on the other side, but no matter which set of waiters brings you the dish, the legislative grub is all prepared in the same Wall Street kitchen”

    Huey Long, campaign speech for the re-election of Senator Hattie Caraway (D-AR), 1932

    Am I the only one that believe the US has to go through some sort of painful transition/civil war/revolution to fix it?

    No, you aren’t.

    Sorry if my english is bad

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    I mean, we basically have, in my opinion, the choice of a civil war, some sort of revolution, or complete and total economic collapse, and rebuilding after the collapse to fix America.

    I don’t see any other way than that.

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      The economic collapse will be part and parcel of the civil war between the revolutionary and counter-revolutionary forces

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    Watch this.

    EDIT: But now I’m finally going to get around to asking this: do any of you, living in the US, vote?

    Would you ever consider voting DSA/Socially democratic, even if your views are to the left of them and you are anti-capitalist? What if voting for the PSL is not an option where you are? Would you ever vote for someone like Trump just to make things intentionally worse in the hopes of sparking off a revolution? Not sure if I will ever vote again at this point…

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      the blood and sweat of our ancestors who struggled for

      genocide. They struggled for genocide. And the enslavement of millions. And mass rape. And overwhelming control of women’s bodies. They did not make us thrive. They drowned us in blood.

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          The civil rights movement of the 60s you mean? Those aren’t our ancestors. They are our oldest contemporaries. Some of them are still alive today. Our ancestors are the the 500 years of European settlers that brought genocide and chattel slavery and systematized rape to this land. The people who fought against those things are the ultra minority. John Brown was hung for treason while the Confederate leaders were given statues and their names were given to university buildings and streets.

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              Read the history of the bill of rights. Many thought it was a bad idea to enumerate rights because they thought the constitution already protected all of those rights. These same people were raping their slaves and selling the babies

              The union did not defeat the slave owners, it defeated the plantation owners. Lincoln famously did not care if slavery was legal or not. The 11 states that seceded from the union were not the only states that had slavery. The Emancipation Proclamation was not intended to free the slaves, it only offered emancipation to enslaved people in the 11 states IF those enslaved people took up arms against the rebels. It was a recruitment tool, pure and simple.

              Women got the right to vote because women fought for it and women were an oppressed group, rather proving my point than refuting it. Further, even though they got the right to vote they were still disallowed by law to own property, open bank accounts, etc. In the 1950s doctors were providing husbands with ice pick lobotomies for their wives, literally jamming an ice pick behind the eyeball to destroy specific nerves in the frontal lobe, making the women docile robots without harming their “pretty faces”. Literally. This is not an exaggeration.

              The US has the resources to invest in r&d because it stole vast amounts of wealth from the rest of the world, including right here from the original inhabitants of the land. The US made native Americans mine radioactive uranium without any safety equipment, literally barefoot in the mud, so they could research the atomic bomb and then drop it on two major population centers of an enemy they already defeated and were negotiating a surrender with. The vast majority of R&D the US invested in was through the military in their ever burning passion to kill more people and dominate more of the world. That’s why the Nazi Verner Von Braun was rescued from Germany before he could stand trial and made into a prominent NASA scientist.

              The fascists lost WW2 because the Soviets defeated 80% of their forces and marched into and straight through Berlin. There’s a reason why West Berlin was inside East Germany. But you didn’t realize that either. In East Germany the fascists really did lose, as the Soviets imprisoned or executed anyone that was supportive of the fascists. Meanwhile in West Germany former openly Nazi politicians were elected into office all over the country. It made some people so upset they resisted and the West branded them as terrorists and even invented a whole new psychological disease to explain why hostages would side with the anti-fascist “terrorists” - Stockholm Syndrome.

              Jim Crow laws were put in place after the Black Codes. The Black Codes were put in place to imprison the recently freed black slaves. The US prison system went from 90% white to 90% black in under 10 years. The Black folks they imprisoned were leased back to the plantation owners where they lived their lives as slaves AGAIN. The 13th amendment didn’t end slavery. It only ended private slavery. Prison slaves are fine. That’s why prison slaves make over $11B in profits for the government and private corporations just through the labor, to say nothing of being one of the only countries that charges prisoners hundreds of dollars a day to be in prison. The Clintons, when Bill was Governor of Arkansas had black house slaves because the Governor’s Mansion was staffed by prisoners who were given labor jobs without pay. The Clinton’s did not change this.

              And since the 1970s the US has had the largest housed-prison population in the world by percentage of population, worse than the Soviet GULAGs at their peak and always worse by multiples than anything the Chinese have done to their own people. But that’s JUST prison population. The parole system, where people are surveilled daily, is twice as large as the prison population. There is nothing in the world like it. The US abolished Jim Crow but didn’t stop the imprisonment, enslavement, surveillance, and cold-blooded murder and rape of black people.

              Not to mention that we have public records indicating that the end of Jim Crow was accompanied by a deliberate and explicit strategy by US politicians to mask the system behind softer language. The results are the same.

              Your definition of “winning out in the end” leaves much to be desired, to put it mildly. Native Americans today are still undergoing a slow motion genocide where their cultures, knowledge, land, and people are all disappearing. Black people are still being murdered by vigilantes. The prison system has only gotten worse, never better.

              Stop looking at the lipstick and saying that we have won hard fought victories when the pig is fatter and more bloated than ever.

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                  Stop looking at the lipstick and saying that we have won hard fought victories when the pig is fatter and more bloated than ever.

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          The story of abolition or the civil rights movement is not the story of America, even though the bourgeois establishment may have tried to tame MLK Jr. posthumously. All concessions given to labor were for the bourgeoisie to maintain its power, not out of any change of heart. If they thought they could get away with maintaining slavery they would - oh wait, they do, it’s called the prison system.

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      The founding myth of your nation is violence. I think it’s like asking if there will be snow in February (I’m Canadian btw)

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        What’s the founding myth of Canada if not Eurocentric settler colonialism intended to displace and exterminate the indigenous peoples of the land they were invading?

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    I would like to see the “United States of America” burn to the ground and cease to exist entirely as a political and military entity.

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        I guess that you have to live outside the US to see what a scary man-baby it is. If a country has all the power in the world, and then decides that rules don’t apply to them, it quite a short step to wishing that they would fail and leave the rest of us alone. The delusion is that they have adopted the world cop role. The reality is that they are the world bully.

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      If the petrodollar fails that’s exactly what’s going to happen. The rest of the world won’t miss the opportunity to hamstring the US during their moment of weakness and ensure they turn into an insular, regional isolationist power. It’ll be well deserved too…