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      Show me a working alternative that’s actually been implemented in the real and I’ll happily shift.

      Until then I’ll happily stick with a well-regulated, Nordic-style market economy.

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        Zapatista territories and Rojava (until recently dissolved by force), and a bunch of smaller examples worldwide (including many tribes that live more traditionally/non-capitalist).

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          They are definitely proof that alternatives exist. Whether they can scale to governing a state of disperate cultures and peoples is a different question.

          But you did answer with some real alternatives, which I’ll look into more. Thank you.

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        What you described is literally a working alternative to capitalism. Nobody said it cannot contain any capitalistic elements.

        As for a further alternative - how about even more social programs? We all know the countries could easily afford it, so that’s an easy step forward.

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    Democracy.

    This world is what people voted for? Yeah?

    Fake elections, fake democracy. The president of USA is a puppet controlled by secret societies, and thats why nothing ever changes.

    People cant even choose candidates. Everyone has to be rich to be president. Because money is what controls people. If you dont have that greed, you cant be controlled by the system. Thats why everyone powerful is rich.

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      Liberal/bourgeois democracy evolved as such because it’s effective at providing a buffer between the ruling and working classes, thus preserving class structure through inevitable boom/bust cycles.

      There’s nothing truly democratic about it, since it functions to stifle and diffuse the will of working people, rather than manifest it.

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      It isn’t secret societies, it is class society. Capitalists rule over production and the government, that is the state, runs the political institutions that keep the masses of people out of power, while keeping the rich calling most of the shots.

      Democracy contradicts class society, but it is a stage in a process. Democracy needs to be defended. This version of “democracy,” with parliaments and congresses and presidents, has always been the form of democracy that the rich owners have wanted, because it serves their interests. Now maybe less so, but the problem with it isnt its democratic nature, but in fact that it is largely, by design and historic precedence, democracy for the rich.

      And in capitalism, the interests of the rich and poor are opposite, by nature. What is good for them is bad for us, because the more we work and the less they pay us, the richer they get. It isnt that democracy is a “sham”, but their democracy is designed for the rich freaks, whether or not they are baby eating occultists, or Mormons, or engineers. If you want to have power you have to put people below you, and if you want to keep power you have to continually put people under you at an increasing rate. If not, someone will steal your power, because if they didn’t, someone would steal both of your power. Everyone competes, that’s how the system gets everyone to cooperate.

      But parliamentary democracy was an improvement over monarchies. Within that framework, the rest of us were able to struggle for more rights, people could fight for freedom with solidarity.

      The rich, including members of elitist occultist secret groups, want rid of it. They think more cops and more surveillance will make it so they don’t have to deal with costly civil infrastructure, they will just use direct force to control everyone, not just the lower classes and heavily exploited people. They want rid of democracy because the profits aren’t coming in fast enough, which is why guys like Trump who are really good at legal crime, bleeding and butchering corporate empires for personal and investor gain, are given the reigns of real power. To bleed and butcher the social democracies of EU and planned economies of East Asia, to cash every check and strongarm every loan, that has been written by every president and supreme court ruling for the past 70-100 years.

      Climate catastrophe is inevitable, the social contract is expired. The only chance we have is to show solidarity together and organize for the power of workers and everybody who has it rough working for some faceless corporation, depending on dwindling govt welfare or shitty min wage paychecks. Its happened before and it will happen again. We need better forms of democracy that serve our interests not theirs. Organization and leadership from below, not rule from above. The basis for it is solidarity, not elections or parliament. And the rich hate and fear other forms of democracy, especially forms of mass democracy.

      The rich want us to reject democracy the way they have. They’ve been maintaining this system that disenfranchises most people, and now they think they can get a better deal. But as they cut away at the institutions that maintained our bare-minimum “civil society” they cut away the illusions that made people feel safe, or at least hopeful. But that doesn’t mean that the illusions won’t get replaced with new ones, like that democracy is a sham.

      Democracy doesn’t exist unless we fight for it. People stopped fighting and so it started slipping away. Rationalizing the loss of our rights as a good thing is not the right kind of defeatism. As long as the rich exist, the poor exist; and the poorer we are the richer they get. The only way to fight and win is to organize on the basis of the best interests of an international working class, and the most potent offense and defense our class has is progressive, mass democracy.

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      As a scientist, yes, it is a horrible scam. The scientists give them rights to the paper for free. The reviewers review for free. Then they charge other people to look at it. And now they came up with open access where the scientists have to pay out of pocket (aka usually with public funds) for the whole process. Meanwhile the review process gets worse and worse, and their profit margin gets bigger and bigger. Last time for a ‘high impact’ journal, I had people in Sri Lanka copy editing my article writing messages to me in broken English. It is all a horrific scam

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    Most contractors or companies providing services related to home maintenance/improvement. I guess it’s not really a ‘scam’ but you are getting charged 10x+ the cost to do whatever when you could probably do it yourself with some research and persistence.

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    Paying rent for land. Unfortunately it’s been that way since feudalism and the progressive movements over the last few hundred years haven’t managed to break out of it

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    Car finance. It’s so prevalent, I think I’m literally the only one on our road that doesn’t drive 1 year old, brand newly financed car. Literally everyone is like “but it’s only $499/month and I can just hand it back when I want a new one”. Well shit, yes, but try tallying up what you’ve paid for running all these new cars every three years.

    Save up instead and continue saving after you bought the car. Then you can afford a different car later.

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    Subscriptions for everything. Especially hardware.

    I already hate my always-online, have to use their shit app robot vacuum that gets worse after each update. I can’t imagine buying a new, overpriced car these days and having it do all the same shit.

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    Water companies, when there’s only one in the area. I’ve played this boardgame before…