• Etterra@discuss.online
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    2 months ago

    It’s because they didn’t plan for shit, and there’s no supplies because they didn’t expect to be there this long because Trump thought war is easy and quick, because he’s a fucking idiot.

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      2 months ago

      And re-supplying them or rotating them out would be an admission that the war will go on longer and isn’t already over.
      So they go hungry.

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          2 months ago

          I mean the Vietnamese were able to wait out American political will, so Iran will probably manage it, unless the Orange Jackass completely snaps and dies something apocalyptic.

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            2 months ago

            Political will came with the body count.
            And I think he is going to try the dumbest thing possible and go all in, Iranians suspect this from what they’re doing now and they’ve been right on everything so far.
            His ego can not take defeat.

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    2 months ago

    The USs primary advantage was our CRAZY logistics network and skills. Now that that’s gone I wonder how much longer it is still the vultures really start to pounce

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    2 months ago

    Good. We should ship the fuck out of the middle east.

    Abandon israel entirely and distance ourselves from Saudi Arabia. We can still maintain a close relationship to Jordan and lend international legitimacy to Rojava.

    That’s my geopolitical wish list for the US.

    • CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world
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      2 months ago

      I had the unfortunate experience of being extremely anti-war in the US right after 9/11, the amount of “so you support the terrorists??” In my life at that time was way too many. I always answered that “no, I support the troops by not voting to send them into unnecessary foreign wars” which of course they were appalled by, because of course it was necessary!!!

      It feels a lot like that again. Except this time it seems most people understand this war is unnecessary

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    2 months ago

    The most “lethal” fighting force in history folks. No pesky details like rules of engagement or logistics.

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      2 months ago

      Its honestly kind of hilarious to see the military directed by morons who are obsessed with “lethality” and culture war nonsense, meanwhile they lack even a rudimentary understanding of how the military functions.

      Anyone who understands how a military works could tell you that logistics is not just half the battle, its basically the entire battle. During WWII, 8/10 servicemen worked in logistics. The Nazis were defeated via logistical advantages. American military dominance was created and sustained through the buildup of interconnected bases which enabled them to quickly and efficiently move people, equipment, and supplies around the world. Without that system working effectively there is no such thing as the “lethality” that these dumbasses goon over. Apparently, they believe it comes from thin air

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        Lots bases in the middle east are abandoned now with lots of the hosting countries taking over them and all the supplies we left behind. I read an article I think yesterday about syria taking over a bunch of bases. And Iran by itself ruined a bunch of ours across the area recently

        So they’re cut off, basically? I feel for the soldiers, but I hope their discontent starts fomenting something

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    2 months ago

    Okay I went to a private school at one point (yes parents were more well off) the kid that had military rations to share had way better food than we were given. Though we were well fed just not by preference. This was on outdoor stuff not in school stuff we had a kitchen and all there though we did the work (good idea really for teaching).

    Any military not feeding their people must be led by one of the dumbest motherfuckers in existence…let’s teach people how to be an armed force and not feed them…sounds like a rich idiot or drunk morning show type.

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      2 months ago

      Yeah but the food isn’t free. And good luck finding a job, any job basically, in this recession. Can’t blame people choosing the military when the alternative could mean homelessness.

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        “Starve at home or fight the wars of the ruling class abroad.” Yay, another page from Russia’s playbook implemented in the United Emirates of Ameristan!

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      You do realize that’s not actually an option right? Like, you can’t just quit the military. You can request your release, but they’re not gonna grant it until your ship gets cycled off of the operation and returns to a friendly port, and that’s assuming they grant it at all. They absolutely do not have to, and during an active military operation they’re extremely unlikely to.

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        Well looks like like the Eisenhower followed the example of the Ford: ‘sorry, can’t go, our ship is on fire’

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        You do realize that’s not actually an option right? Like, you can’t just quit the military.

        Don’t say bullshit please, when they send you on a mission you can decide and refuse to go.

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          That would either be insubordination, dereliction of duty, or going AWOL, depending on the exact context. All of those can buy you a court martial and potentially some time in military prison, as well as fines and other punishments.

          You’ve probably heard at some point about people volunteering for deployments, which is a thing that happens, but only on a “Volunteers get first dibs” basis. If they don’t have the numbers they start tasking people and you absolutely do not get to say no. That’s why you swear an oath. It’s not a regular job, they own your ass. During actual conflicts like this they even get to keep people on after their contracts are up, if it’s required for “operational tempo.”

          Oh, actually, here’s an additional fun fact (provided by one of the serving military members I showed your previous comments to, after they were done laughing their asses off); when you’re overseas on an operation you travel on a military passport, which is kept locked up by the orderlies, and even if you got it back somehow you’d need travel orders to use it. Airports will literally refuse to board you on the plane if you don’t have paperwork saying you’re not AWOL. It’s not only illegal for these guys to go home, it’s also basically impossible.

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            That would either be insubordination, dereliction of duty, or going AWOL, depending on the exact context. All of those can buy you a court martial and potentially some time in military prison, as well as fines and other punishments.

            I would rather spend some time in military prison than murder kids fighting for a pedophile.

            Trump was re-elected in 2024 and the first attack to iran was carried last years. That’s plenty of time to leave.

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              OK, but what you said was “Stop fighting for a pedophile and go home.”

              That’s the misapprehension I was correcting. Now you’re just saying a completely different thing.

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                i’m going to repeat it: stop fighting for a pedophile and go home.

                If they kill you for it that is a more honorable way to serve justice than murdering kids fighting for a pedophile.

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                  2 months ago

                  How?

                  Literally, how should they do that? They’re on a boat, in an ocean. How should they go about the task of going home?

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    2 months ago

    Scarce and shitty food is one thing, but if you fuck up the mail (and these days the internet), you’re gonna have a really bad time.

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      Failing to feed your troops is one of the fastest ways possible to tank morale. Mail from home comes every few weeks. You eat three times a day.

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        Word from home and communication with people you love, especially in the era of instantaneous global communication, is a powerful thing. Not that food isn’t a motivator too, but you expect some missed meals and low quality as the ops tempo increases. Miss a meal and you’re pissed until you get to eat again. Jack up a guy getting video of his kid’s last ballgame and he’ll stay pissed even after he gets it.

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            And I didn’t contradict that.

            Just pointed out that, and this is coming from the same source, it’s not the only thing that keeps morale up and that folks who have deployed before know that food service in a war zone can be spotty even with modern logistics.

            EDIT: People are focused on food in this thread, but there’s a reason why mail service is mentioned in the headline with it.

            Sorry if it offends, but communication with home (mail, internet, etc.) plays a big role in morale as well. A lot of soldiers like getting mail and hearing from their families, girlfriends, etc. It relieves a lot of anxiety to know that your loved ones are doing well. Don’t know what else to say.

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    Eventually the citizens of the US are gonna realize that they really aren’t the best country in the world. Maybe before we all starve to death.

    At least, I hope so. My friends and I can’t be the only ones.

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    Anyone who accepted orders to go fight in Iran can get what they signed up for imo. An order has to be lawful to be required. These people are spineless.

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      My son is 22 in a few weeks. He is allowed to make his own life choices and I try to never tell him what to do but be more of a guide. We sat down and I TOLD him if the draft happens again go to prison before you go to war. He immediately agreed this was already his stance. We talked about a friend of mine who’s parents fled Nazi Germany (to work on the manhattan project no less, he’s a cool person to know) and how their family members who stayed behind and chose to just be “good Germans” by going along with it absolutely regretted it, how it tore apart families, just really emphasizing that from his family’s experience being the “good German” was a terrible and irreversible mistake. Don’t serve, don’t help, love your countrymen and build communities.

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      What the hell do you expect them to do, quit?

      Nearly all of them aren’t doing anything that terrible. And for the few who do have targets, it’s hard to question if your targets are legitimate or illegitimate, particularly beyond a shadow of a doubt.

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      2 months ago

      Give a man to fish and you will have fed him for a day.

      Teach a man to shoot the sea mines and you will have fed him and his buddies for the duration of America’s latest illegal war.