• prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    3 months ago

    If you do nothing, you own the consequences too, even if you try to pretend that you don’t.

    And they are much worse consequences. Much worse than the 5:1 ratio of the original trolley problem

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      3 months ago

      You are not responsible for actions which you do not take, and further, you are not responsible for consequences proceeding from actions you did not take.

      The trolley problem is designed specifically to illustrate the simple logic of utilitarianism. It allocates no blame to whoever tied the guy to the tracks, and doesn’t usually include any consideration of context. Unlike reality, the trolley problem reduces a qualitative moral decisionmaking to a pure binary, in a complete vacuum. It exists to demonstrate that one number is bigger than another number, with a couple of extra steps. No relationship to reality.

      • Fallynn@lemmy.ca
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        3 months ago

        If you have a choice whether you wanted to have it or not, and you choose not to act. That in and of itself is you making a call as to what outcome you prefer. You are therefore responsible.

        Choosing not to act is still a choice own it. You would choose to let 5 people die instead of 1 so that you don’t have to feel responsible but you are. You are putting your emotions over the lives of others.

        There is such a thing legally speaking as gross negligence. You chose not to act and a worse outcome happens when you had the ability to stop it. Your argument would never hold up in court.

        You can try to claim moral superiority all you like but in the end it’s just an excuse to allow you to put your feelings over the lives of others.

        As a Canadian I’m am disappointed and disgusted by the selfishness of the US populace both left and right in different ways. Get off your high horse and own your decisions. The time for change is at the grassroots level. Stop with your mememe “morality” and do something beyond the absolute minimum of voting if you even did that.

        Fix your shit American sorry not sorry