• DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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      4 months ago

      adb is currently main developer for a fork of Delta Chat, a messenger that actually gives you privacy.

      you got your messenger recommendation from congresspeople. think about that for a second and how it makes you look to technically competent people like us

        • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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          4 months ago

          Nice argument dude, unfortunately I don’t share your tendency to form parasocial relationships with US government-funded “privacy software” and prefer recommending open source projects utilizing extensible internet standards for longevity + reliability, so I’m unlikely to be convinced by your playground “what is he your boyfriend” antics. You’re clearly suffering from some serious cognitive dissonance, so take a step back. I don’t know you, I shared this with the community publicly in the hopes people can defend themselves better against surveillance. What motivates you, seriously? Why turn to personal attack? How did you end up at this point in your life?

          My advice is learn how to take advice from people who know better than you. It can change your life, and it’s important for operating in communities that value authority from expertise rather than business jargon and ideological slapfighting.

      • poVoq@slrpnk.net
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        4 months ago

        But you do realize that DeltaChat also received a quite significant amount of money from the US Open Technology Fund over its course of development and to this day it is somewhat unclear how they fund what seems to be several full time developers?

  • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I’m really trying hard to see the point that’s being made. Is it just the “high” salaries, or is there some other implication? The OP seems to be insinuating that Signal is a honeypot or something. I am going to need a lot more proof than, “hey, these guys work at a non-profit and they aren’t underpaid!” Given that most tech jobs offer stock options in addition to normal salary, it would make sense that base salary should be higher at a non-profit (where stock options don’t exist). Their salary structure also seems much flatter than other non-profits that I saw within the propublica link.

    What am I missing here?

    • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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      4 months ago

      We already know it’s a honeypot, this is circumstantial evidence about their role in sapping donations from the wider open source ecosystem. Keep donating to them if you don’t value your money.

        • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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          4 months ago

          Yeah that’s why you guys focus on shit like “I was able to convince my grandma to use it” - you don’t understand what is wrong with Signal technically.

          • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
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            4 months ago

            No, I focus on that because it’s real. It sounds like you don’t get out much, just judging by how you talk to people. So let me lay it out for you. People are resistant to change and you have to convince them. You aren’t good at that, which is why you’re so mad. I’m trying to get information to help convince people I know and love, which is why I’m asking for more information from the person who seems to know a lot. However you also seem to be bad at providing resources to back your claims up.

            • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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              4 months ago

              No, not everyone who fails to relate to your American experience “fails to get out much”. It’s more than you’re incapable of understanding why someone would avoid centralizing “privacy services” in countries that run the global capitalist surveillance state. What you’re doing is derailing the thread + demanding spoon feeding + begging the question. Your motivation is a wounded ego because someone said you made a bad choice—one that is as easy to fix as installing and uninstalling services.

              • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
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                4 months ago

                Jesus Christ dude. I’m talking about how you are immediately hostile to everyone in this thread. Get over yourself.

                • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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                  4 months ago

                  Get some good software on your devices that doesn’t have a lifespan according to the goodwill of the feds, and have a wonderful morning.

      • eclipsez0r@sh.itjust.works
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        4 months ago

        Can you provide some evidence for your claims? You’ve even linked to another post where you say you’re here to educate people but all I’m seeing are assertions with no basis and insults.

  • pineapple@lemmy.mlEnglish
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    4 months ago

    What is going on with all of these people saying CEO’s or other employees deserve to live comfortably? The average salary in the US is like $64,000 the median is more like $38,000. What kind of person could possibly do the work of 10 or almost 20 (depending on weather you prefer median or average) regular people? If people should be payed based off how much work they do this is not a reasonable amount.

  • Vegafjord oakframer@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Sallaries should act as a motivator for better leadership, so these wages, at least in norwegian context, seems to be too high, too corrupting.

  • Sherad@lemmygrad.mlEnglish
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    4 months ago

    I barely use social media at all besides lemmy and the level of smarmy belligerence you’ve used throughout this thread makes me wanna download signal out of spite.

    Maybe take a day off mang.

  • titanicx@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    This is normal for “nonprofit” companies. The former head of Mozilla was paid 6.1 million in 2024.

  • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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    4 months ago

    LMAO @ everyone who would have denied this was true groveling at the feet of the US government’s spectacularly abd inexplicably generous Open Technology Fund after devoting 3000 comments to bashing what remains of Firefox for [checks notes] making the UI better so the community doesn’t need to spend their time making sidebars and vertical tabs… You guys are worms. Today I get to be the rock. 🥴

  • RykardNixon@lemmy.zip
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    4 months ago

    I don’t know the intricacies of signal as a company or if they support any bad actors or whatnot, but I do hate to see flack for non-profit leaders and employees getting paid competitive salaries. Like if people are actually worth that much in the economy, why not try to stack the team so they’re incentivized to do well? Especially in the shit pot that is America.

    I would be curious to see the spread of overhead between salaries and fundraising, outreach, etc to actually get their product out there. Because if those are balanced in favor toward actually running the business, marketing it well, and fundraising, I’d say these people more than deserve these salaries.

    • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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      4 months ago

      The company asks for donations while receiving funding from the US government and scraping metadata from activists. You people are absolute marks.

    • FoundFootFootage78@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      4 months ago

      A CEO should be paid enough to live comfortably if you work at a non-profit, but if you need to be paid market rate then you’re probably not passionate about the position. When your job is fulfilling a public good rather than delivering shareholder value, that and a decently generous salary should be reward enough.

      That said, I think Signal is better than Mozilla on this front, because they don’t have a long history of terrible decisions each of which coming with increased executive compensation.

      EDIT: Also the CEO of Mozilla made 6-7 million per year (haven’t checked the new CEO though). Way more than Meredith Whittaker’s $750,000. So honestly Signal is an order of magnitude better on this front.

  • manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    Tbf they are probably renting in california lol, their ‘pwese donate we need it’ always felt about as legitimate as 'hello from jimmy at wikipedia, we’re about to shut down the website, everyone please send $1 to the wikipedia guy, 432 evergreen tereace’

  • Sims@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    US and the West are ‘managed’ by elite psychopaths that don’t give a shit about ordinary peoples ‘privacy’ or similar fancy tools for the wage-slaves. They have used these tools to try and break through specific nations/groups information defenses. ANYTHING sponsored by the US Oligarchy is either a part of local US control, or an attempt at reaching more people with rich-man propaganda in nations that defend themselves against US lies and color-revolutions…

  • shaggyb@lemmy.world
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    4 months ago

    If we’re going to continue doing capitalism, we need to celebrate when people who are responsible for quality products are paid comfortably but not so much that their pay disrupts other peoples’ status.

    700k very much qualifies in today’s world.

    Stop being crabs in a bucket.

    • YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.todayEnglish
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      4 months ago

      Seriously so much this!!!

      These people have a great product and they should be paid enough to keep them from seeking other sources of income. That’s how we got Facebook. Plus having the numbers publicly available is a big plus.

      • A🔻atar of 🔻engeance@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        4 months ago

        You guys are out of your gd minds I’m not going to sit here and explain what a mode of production is to you, or that executives are not proletarians. Jesus H. Christ

          • utopiah@lemmy.ml
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            4 months ago

            FWIW not on income but on top wealth, Musk has $792 Billion (ffs…) so ~$1000B and we are 8.4B Earthlings so ~10B. If we were to spread equality his wealth (which I’m all for) it would “only” gives each of us ~$100. Conclude from that what you will but to me it’s just a reminder of just how many people we are. A lot.

            PS: this isn’t about income and it might be totally different there. If you have a better metric and approximation I’d be all ears.

  • onlinepersona@programming.dev
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    4 months ago

    Just hire from the EU. It’s cheaper and they are as competent. A lot more money will be left to hire more staff. I’ve already moved my signal donation to matrix.

    The US is a money sink.

  • glitching@lemmy.ml
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    4 months ago

    not my circus, not my monkeys

    but them positions… as mr. cici famously quipped, that’s alot of buffers

    you really need a VP of eng and then a director of eng and further liaisons until you reach an actual engineer for a shop that has one product?

    again, what do I care, spend it in good health

    • A🔻atar of 🔻engeance@lemmy.mlEnglish
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      4 months ago

      This is basically a parody of the problems with NGO corporate compensation, yes, but I feel like everyone is avoiding the elephant in the room & wishing goodwill to people making e2ee messaging that is only safe for the US government to use. Ask yourself, would the German prime minister even trust this shit?

      It’s not like Delta Chat main development team is even exempt from this, not sure if OP is aware of this but they want the EU to save them. Fat chance guys! Open source developers need a workers government or total independence, or they will discover they are political tools that can be dispensed with when no longer necessary. Just look at the recent pressure on Linux to eject Russian developers.

  • piyuv@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    4 months ago

    “President of Signal getting paid less than a principal engineer” must be the take here.

    The same argument applies to Wikipedia: it’s a blessing these people accept working for <1M. They could easily get a job for triple the salary elsewhere but choose to forfeit it for principles.

    • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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      4 months ago

      well yes, taking millions from the US government to dupe people like you into slathering yourself in metadata is the right move. redditors will justify anything once locked into the circlejerk

      • Chulk@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        4 months ago

        Signal is the only way I’ve been able to get my friends and family onto an E2E messaging app. Before this, they were all using SMS and WhatsApp. Signal is how we survived ICE in Minneapolis and organized to stop a bunch of jackbooted fascists from kidnapping all of our neighbors and deporting them to unknown countries. I have a lot of respect for the folks at Signal as a result.

        I get that you all are on better platforms or whatever, but I don’t appreciate the dismissive shit that I’m seeing in these replies. Especially when it’s about one of the first privacy-oriented apps that normies get started with. You have some information about Signal that shows it’s shitty or a honeypot? Great, then post it. I’d genuinely love to see it (and not in a “post it so I can argue with you like an annoying redditor” kinda way). But this shit about high salaries at a non profit is not convincing to me and none of your replies here are doing your cause any service.

        • DJ Putler@lemmy.mlBOP
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          4 months ago

          my family and friends are intractable

          You’re probably annoying + not my problem. You clearly aren’t very knowledgable about this, so I doubt you would even be able to explain it to them. XMPP and Delta Chat are easier to set up. You’re just arguing that laziness is a virtue.

          Signal is how we survived ICE in Minneapolis

          Serious “it was revealed to me in a dream” shit that most people would think was excessive if I made it up as a joking example of Signal defenders. Signal is funded by the US government and collects + leaks metadata. The US government uses metadata to target hacking of the device itself. Metadata is more valuable for surveillance than message content, it is used by police + intelligence to fabricate evidence of “terror networks” including teenagers in Chicago texting each other. Minneapolis drove out ICE because they had guns and physically planted themselves between the psychos and the people they wanted to terrorize. If they were stupid enough to use Signal (or encouraged by people like you) or bring their phones downtown, they will be mopped up before they can do anything useful. Fortunately for the feds, Americans barely even bother to walk around with signs.

          The ability of these companies to operate centralized services in countries that serve gag orders should make things obvious, but fortunately you people have been trained by social media to require epistemological proof of wrongdoing.

        • GreatWhiteBuffalo41@slrpnk.netEnglish
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          4 months ago

          Literally all the shit talking in this thread is all from that guy. Lots of shit talking, didn’t link a single source to back it up.