Im in my first year of college in the USA and I want out of here. I feel like anything I learn in college here will just be exploited by capitalists if I stay here. Should I stay in college here or look to get out earlier. If I stay should I change my major from computer science to computer engineering. If I leave how do I actually get to china/ gain citizenship there?
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I’m not sure i agree. Taking Nazi-Germany for example, i wouldn’t say it was a smart decision to stay for most people. It was basically suicide. Ok, the USA are different, but the fear is the same.
We need the support of the masses and looking at the liberals i’m not sure whether they’ll turn on us (insert “no, don’t trust the liberals. They’ll betray you”-meme here).
Sometimes one must fight and sometimes one must retreat to fight another day (see mao).
Hyper moralism is certainly the indication of a good ideological understanding.
Snideness aside…what? What type of fucking logic is this? Don’t try to…improve your life? What? If the chinese people allow immigration, then what goddamn moral grandstanding is it to be like “no they shouldn’t let you in because you’re profiting off their hard work.” Thats not marxist logic, that’s not even any logic. It’s pure foolishness. People are up voting this complete garbage? Did people here get concussed between yesterday and now?
Edit: This is also coming from the same people who are like “oh America will never have a revolution ever” or just “nuke america.” People wondered why i had that outburst a couple months ago and this is why.
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pal some of us want to leave because we’re at risk of being murdered by our government, not because we have less treats
be serious
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Then you should understand that Americans aren’t unique in this respect.
Do you think if the average Russian peasant had sufficient treats they would have still overthrown the Tsar?
Of course not because you and I know that the whole point of giving the proles more treats is to prevent revolution. If it didn’t work social democracy as a movement would not exist.
Likewise you and I both know that as the treats dry up the proles become more radically-inclined. Americans aren’t special in this regard and it’s bizarre to act like we’re being uniquely selfish when this is literally how it works: treats or revolution.
How willing a people are to overthrow their oppressive government depends entirely on how much they’re able to stomach that oppression.
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I just think that those who have benefited from global exploitation- owe the rest of the world some effort in dismantling that system, rather than fleeing to the shade of another society that has put in that work.
The system is being dismantled by material conditions, and has almost nothing to with anything anyone in the imperial core is doing.
The world doesn’t need us to “take up the white man’s burden” — they are already in the process of defeating imperialism. I can help that more by scrubbing floors in Guangzhou than by dying in a camp here.
Your opinion is indistinguishable from telling refugees they shouldn’t flee the Reich if they have the chance.
Edit: you seem to think you’re saying:
“Don’t be afraid of a little hard work 😁”
But you’re actually saying:
“Die in a camp because of the accident of your birth 😁”
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You’re assuming things about op that can’t be gotten from the post. How do you know their lineage? They could be descended from any number of people who didnt enjoy those spoils either. The only thing is that they’re “wealthy” enough to go to college and emmigrate.
Also, exodus of skilled workers has been a weapon employed by the imperialist nations for decades now. From east Berlin to former yugoslavia brain drains have been an active threat. Why can’t progressive people act in the same way?
And it’s a wierd catch 22, you’re not allowed to leave and live in a self sufficient country that doesn’t rely on mass imperialism, but also if they live in the imperial core they’re morally responsible for the system they were born into.
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That’s mean and unnecessary. The U$ is going to be a horrific place to live shortly.
It’s a settler colony, and no one owes it allegiance.
There’s nothing wrong with wanting to get out.
You’re probably not getting Chinese citizenship. I’m sorry. China just isn’t that kind of immigrant country. You can get a visa to study or work there though. China recently introduced a visa for young skilled professionals. You live there for a number of years on a visa, and you can then look into ways to get a longer term residency permit. And of course it’s much easier to get that if you’re married to a Chinese citizen.
But since you’re still in college you have much better opportunities than most of the rest of us do. The best thing you can do is to look for a way to do a semester or two abroad in China. While you’re there learn the language, make some connections, get to know how the academic system works. Then, once you get your Bachelor’s degree, try to enroll in a Chinese university for your Master’s.
Either that or look for job opportunities in China with your degree. As i said, China is currently very welcoming to educated foreign professionals and they have streamlined the visa process a lot for that purpose.
But in any case i would strongly recommend that you look into the possibility of going abroad for a semester during your studies. Even if it’s not to China. You won’t regret it.
bit idea: Bethunemaxxing
From my research:
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education in China, or getting a graduate degree there (difficult).
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Getting a good graduate degree here and using it for employment there.
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working for a non-Chinese multinational that lets people transfer to work there (maybe difficult).
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TEFL and working as an English teacher - less available now than before, not great money, limited options to flip into permanent residency. Still probably the easiest on the list.
Pie in the sky: getting Taiwanese citizenship and banking on unification to get you full Chinese citizenship
Thank you for providing an actual answer. I hate the people both here and on reddit who look at this question and just get incensed by the audacity for some reason.
Sure thing! I get where some of them are coming from, but I’d love to get tf out of the U$
Getting HK residency is relatively straight forward too. You can get permanent residency by legally working and living there for a continuous period of 7 years. After that, you apply to the Immigration Department for verification. This grants you permanent resident status in Hong Kong.
Although, that does not make you a Chinese citizen, you would still have to go through a separate naturalization process for Chinese nationality.
Permanent residency is a big first step!
Exactly, for the most part it’s as good as citizenship in practical terms. I was actually in HK for around a week just a little while back, and honestly it’s pretty great. If you have a job, it’s a very nice place to live. Everything is walkable, the weather is great, lots of fantastic food that’s really cheap, and the city looks amazing.
If you get Taiwanese citizenship, you can pretty much go everywhere in China. The government is very deliberate to treat Taiwanese equivalent to mainland Chinese. You could probably just try that.
Good point!
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as soon as you guys get an idea other than China I am helping lmao
Figure out how to get involved and fight back. Running away helps nothing.
Find out if your college has any partnership with the Confucius Institute and enroll in their Chinese classes. They have a lot of exchange opportunities which are a good first step.
