• LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml
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    8 months ago

    lol who is downvoting this? Is it just because it’s not funny since it’s a 1:1 representation of reality, so not really anything satirical?

    Evergreen:
    https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1662026001627.webm

    The excuses that libs will insist on making for loudly openly self-procliamed nazis will never cease to… disappoint me.

  • Digit@lemmy.wtf
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    8 months ago

    Curious.

    I don’t understand why this is getting such a heavy downvote.

    Can any downvoters kindly explain why they’re chosing to downvote this?

    Thanks.

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      Because it is still very much a false accusation used to justify the invasion and eventual genocide of Ukrainians? “Oh but there are neo Nazis in the Azov batallion”. So? There are tons of ethno nationalists in the Kremlin & duma, who’d gladly do a bit of genocide - as a treat - so they can consolidate more land and power. Hows about them bananas?

      Let’s look at the evidence the past 30 years regarding russiafication, the para military groups in Africa and the promotion of oligarchy, the overthrowal of foreign governments the installing of puppet states - as well as the deep state corruption in Russia.

      But also, let’s look at the recent indoctrination of children into military school being taught that Ukrainians are mongrel mutts, Africans being used as suicide bombers, junkies and alcoholics sent to the front lines because of the “tried and true” meat assault tactic, Russian soldiers coming in on horseback and donkeys, the oligarchs of Russia being disappeared the last year to fund the war is especially prescient - while claiming the defeat of Ukraine is imminent.

      In short: there is so much lies and bullshit coming from the Kremlin & the duma, as well as a metric ton of evidence proving how degenerate and incompetent they really are, to the point that seing the ol’ “azovs are Nazis” propaganda point is like a conspiracy to generate free energy from the amount of eye rolling it will generate.

      If it was such an issue, why not point out ICE or the IDF? Heck, why not deal with the ethno nationalists in Russia? Oh right, they’re the ones in power.

      Believing any of their propaganda is tantamount to intellectual suicide.

  • FortifiedAttack [any]@hexbear.net
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    8 months ago

    Jul 2024: “Genocide is okay if Israel is doing it. Vote Democrat btw.”

    Sep 2025: “Israel is allowed to torture Western activists. Israel is our greatest ally.”

    Jan 2026: “Jews were the only victims of the Holocaust, everyone else doesn’t matter.”

  • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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    8 months ago

    Tankies finding one problematic aspect in any movement they oppose and blowing it all out of proportion to justify repression. Also see Kronstadt rebellion, Hungarian revolution etc.

    However any problematic aspect in camps they support is just an “unfortunate mistake” nevertheless worth “critical support” to oppose Western imperialism.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        8 months ago

        We have streets and buildinga named after a known fascist dictator in Greece who privately complained that Hitler didn’t ask him to join the axis. This proves nothing except that time and war fog glorifies figures that don’t always deserve it. This is exactly the kind of thing I was talking about. Purposefully disregard all nuance to paint a narrative.

        • CindyTheSkull [she/her, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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          We have streets and buildinga named after a known fascist dictator in Greece […] This proves nothing except that time and war fog glorifies figures that don’t always deserve it.

          It proves there is a sizeable contingent in Greece that idolizes fascists and has enough institutional power to express that idolatry, and that there is not enough pushback in the rest of the culture to oppose that openly fascist expression. All of which is deeply worrisome and none of which negates the fact that there is likewise rampant Neo-naziism in Ukraine and that it has tremendous institutional and military power.

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            8 months ago

            Before we continue; do you know anything about Greece, or even which dictator I’m talking about?

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          8 months ago

          a lot of these were renamed after bandera recently, which shows that banderite ideology has full state backing, but sure, it’s just a few bad apples.

            • huf [he/him]@hexbear.net
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              8 months ago

              streets re-named after a fascist mass murderer, yes. so if the germans suddenly started renaming streets after adolf hitler, you’d dismiss that too. nothing to see here.

    • FortifiedAttack [any]@hexbear.net
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      Just a tiny, insignificant problematic aspect like widespread support for fascism. No biggie. Btw, why are all our governments turning towards fascism? Where could this be coming from?

      Moreover, present day Russia is a creation by the West itself. It was your governments that wanted the USSR to collapse, your goverments that elevated individuals like Putin post-collapse. Now you get a brutal, capitalist, Anti-LGBT hellpit, that the people of the West somehow pretend just materialized out of nothing, and wasn’t a result of their own negligence, their own unwillingness to prevent mass suffering in Eastern Europe and Asia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

      You are constantly in conflict with your own self-made monsters.

      • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        Just a tiny, insignificant problematic aspect like widespread support for fascism

        “widespread”

        Moreover, present day Russia is a creation by the West itself. It was your governments that wanted the USSR to collapse, your goverments that elevated individuals like Putin post-collapse. Now you get a brutal, capitalist, Anti-LGBT hellpit, that the people of the West somehow pretend just materialized out of nothing, and wasn’t a result of their own negligence, their own unwillingness to prevent mass suffering in Eastern Europe and Asia after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

        Sounds to me USSR revolution wasn’t that “successful” afer all

        • QinShiHuangsShlong [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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          Sounds to me USSR revolution wasn’t that “successful” afer all

          Reducing the USSR to a “failure” because it collapsed is ahistorical idealism and the height of liberal nonsense. We should judge a formation by the contradictions it resolved, not by whether it achieved eternity. Tsarist Russia was a feudal wreck where peasants starved and most couldn’t read. Within decades, the Soviet project doubled life expectancy, wiped out illiteracy, and industrialized a continent-sized country, dragging millions out of poverty.

          Women gained full legal equality in 1918: abortion rights, divorce, workplace access, while Western women were still fighting for the vote. Socialized childcare and mass employment pulled women into public life on a scale capitalism wouldn’t match for generations.

          And let’s not forget who actually broke fascism: the Red Army fought four-fifths of the Wehrmacht, lost 27 million people, and took Berlin while the West sat on the sidelines and even continued to trade with the nazi beast for years into the war (see the history of ford factories and IBM).

          Collapse doesn’t retroactively erase what was built. “Anarchists” like you who dismiss seventy years of concrete progress because the state eventually fractured aren’t radical they’re reactionary. Material gains for millions don’t vanish because the system that produced them later unraveled.

          The aftermath of the collapse proved the stakes that people like you refuse to grapple with. The 1990s were catastrophic. Life expectancy cratered, millions plunged into homelessness and destitution, women and children were trafficked by the tens of thousands, and the entire country was looted by oligarchs with IMF blessing. The chaos bred Yeltsin’s drunken comprador regime, which paved the way for Putin’s rise as his right-hand man a direct product of the Soviet collapse. When you cheer the unraveling of a workers’ state even a deeply flawed one, you’re not celebrating freedom. You’re celebrating the road that led straight to oligarchs, fascists, and some of the worst reaction imaginable. But you don’t really care about anyone but yourself.

          • db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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            Reducing the USSR to a “failure” because it collapsed is ahistorical idealism and the height of liberal nonsense

            'Tis what MLs perpetually do for every Anarchist revolution.

            Collapse doesn’t retroactively erase what was built. “Anarchists” like you who dismiss seventy years of concrete progress because the state eventually fractured aren’t radical they’re reactionary. It achieved the same great improvements for living standards all other such capitalist revolutions did throughout history. Material gains for millions don’t vanish because the system that produced them later unraveled.

            I’m not erasing anything. I consider the USSR revolution a great success for capitalism, as it turned an agrarian society into an industrialized capitalist nation. It also imporoved the people’s living standard like any society becoming industrialized through capitalism. It’s the only thing all such ML revolutions every achieved and the only thing they can achieve.

            It’s an abject failure at achieving communism (and anarchist argue, even socialism) though.