• QinShiHuangsShlong [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    9 months ago

    You’re just doing resentment politics. Still crying because your Nazi grandfather got what he deserved doesn’t turn Cold War propaganda into theory.

    “Chinese ruling class.”

    China does not have a bourgeoisie that controls the state. Capital is allowed to exist but is politically subordinate. When billionaires defy the party, they disappear from public life or go to prison. Try that in Poland or the EU, where corporations openly write legislation. And before tou say anything China is extremely democratic just not liberal democratic theres a reason the government has a 90+% approval rate even by western sources.

    “Multinationals exploiting cheap labor.”

    Foreign capital operates in China under state conditions: technology transfer, joint ventures, party oversight, and expulsion if they break rules. That’s why Western corporations constantly complain China is “unfair.” Exploitation without sovereignty is colonialism , China used controlled investment to industrialize and then moved up the value chain. That’s Marxism applied, not betrayal. Also working conditions are improving year on year as is normal in developing nations as they catch up but why would that stop you making your dumb gotcha.

    “State capitalism.”

    State ownership of commanding heights, five-year plans, price controls, public banking, and elimination of extreme poverty are not capitalism. Capitalism is when profit governs the state, socialism is when the state governs profit. China fits the latter whether liberals like you like it or not.

    “Tiananmen.”

    One event endlessly recycled decades because it’s the only narrative you have and you don’t even properly understand it. You think we dont know about it because you have no understanding of China or Chinese people. You are a chauvanist loser

    “Class war.”

    You’re right that history is class struggle, which is exactly why socialist states are attacked nonstop by imperialist ones. The difference is that in China, Vietnam, Cuba, and the DPRK, the ruling class doesn’t own the state, the people do through the dotp.

    You don’t oppose oppression. You just side with the imperialist bloc that lost its colonies and never forgave the people who broke free. You are a fucking loser chauvanist 白左.

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      9 months ago

      Still crying because your Nazi grandfather

      I don’t know why we’re tolerating stalinists in the internet. Stalinists and maoists killed more people, more workers, families, even than nazis.

      BTW. I’m from Poland, and most of my family members that lived in that time, were victimized, used as a slaves and so on. So maybe instead of praising one totalitarian regime, and hating on another one, learn a little bit history?

      China does not have a bourgeoisie that controls the state.

      Yup, and kings are selected by gods, and oligarchs worked very hard for many years to earns billions. True.

      When billionaires defy the party, they disappear from public life or go to prison.

      Pure existence of billionaires, and people with hundreds of millions dollars is a proof, that they don’t care about working class. This is the oligarch, ruling class that doesn’t exist? Do you know how much money Xi Ping has? Check it, and report back about >100 milion dollars. So, either he worked very very hard, doing what normally is done by 100 people, or his wealth comes from exploitation of the working class.

      Exploitation

      You know, that revolution started in France, Russia, or China, because regular workers were exploited so much, that they had enough, and the ruling class didn’t have enough power to stop it? Today Chinese government installed so many cameras, face recognition, internet scanning, that revolution is killed before it can start.

      Capitalism is when profit governs the state,

      Yup, so that’s china. Laogai https://politicalprisoners.eu/en/lao-gai-camps.html, or factories that are preparing goods for western customers, and workers are in a very big shit https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract

      This is exploitation.

      One event endlessly recycled decades because it’s the only narrative you have and you don’t even properly understand it.

      Chinese oligarchs killing so many people just because if peaceful protests, and people don’t want to have so much control from the ruling class. Can you explain to me, why it was good in your opinion?

      socialist states are attacked nonstop by imperialist ones.

      Sadly, China is a state capitalism, not socialist. Soviet union was the same thing when Stalin took over.

      the ruling class doesn’t own the state, the people do through the dotp.

      That’s why you only mentioned one party systems, with state capitalism, that are known for exploitation their own citizens, and selling goods to a capitalist states?

      You are a fucking loser chauvanist 白左.

      Go back to praising state capitalism, i hope that your oligarchs are paying you for this bullshit. I hope that Chinese people will rise again against oligarchs and ruling class, and there will be no more state capitalism, factories will not be owned by billionaires, people will be free.

      • QinShiHuangsShlong [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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        9 months ago

        BTW. I’m from Poland, and most of my family members that lived in that time, were victimized, used as a slaves and so on. So maybe instead of praising one totalitarian regime, and hating on another one, learn a little bit history?

        Lmao I was right. Your nazi family deserved it.

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          9 months ago

          First of all, i know that you fans of chinese oligarchy and state capitalism does not know history.

          But remember, Poland was attacked by Nazis (and two weeks later by soviets). Many victims of nazis were socialists and regular workers.

          You’re saying that, working class people, a lot of them real socialists, deserved to be killed by totalitarian nazi regime?

          Go back to licking chinese oligarchs boots. How did your beloved oligarch Xi get so many millions of dollars, can you elaborate?

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              9 months ago

              Wow white chavanism nazi propoganda

              Are you a chinese bot? Beep poop, are you ok?

              I’m talking about nazi attack on Poland, murder of so many people, and more was used as a slave, and what you did? You said that “they deserved it”. And now you’re again with your nazi propaganda. Like a bot.

              Sorry.

              Ask xi to spend some of his millions, he is oligarch, and get you more RAM or better processor, because as a chinese bot, you’re very bad.