cross-posted from: https://hexbear.net/post/7394978
Wow the Country founded on Slavery and Genocide is bad???
This. And also for Israel. And France.
Hell, add in all of Europe. They and Trump deserve each other.
For Russia, China, North Korea, and historically most of european countries.
What’s the common part? That this is not war between nations, or races, it’s a class war. Creating ruling class always ends like this. Too much power in a hands of a too few people, authoritarian regime, and this is a recipe for a crisis.
It doesn’t matter if a country is authoritarian or democratic, every bourgeois nation state currently in the existence partakes in brutalization of proles and furthering the interests of capital.
Put all of the countries in there, workers have no nation.
It doesn’t matter if a country is authoritarian or democratic
It matters a lot. Authoritarian is evil from the beginning. If you have authoritarianism, then you’re giving the power to a small group of people, therefore creating new rulling class. And as we know from the history, a lot of power in a hands of few, always corrupts.
It doesn’t matter who is your lord, or how is your master is presenting himself. Doesn’t matter if he is saying that god send him here, or his parents were kings, or he earn tons of money thanks to other people work, or he is a “working class” hero who now want to control other workers and people.
Democracy gives you chance to change that, to at least change who is making decision, who is in power. That’s why oligarchs wants to take control of democracy, by creating one or two party system (China, USA, CCCP), or they will take control over media, and destroy independent journalism so no one knows what’s going on (Russia).
Absolute coal
Book about crimes of new Chinese very rich rulling class? Ruling class that is earning tons of money from multinational corporations using Chinese people as a cheap workforce? Maybe we can treat about tianamen massacre? Maybe something about Chinese state capitalism? What else would you suggest?
You’re just doing resentment politics. Still crying because your Nazi grandfather got what he deserved doesn’t turn Cold War propaganda into theory.
“Chinese ruling class.”
China does not have a bourgeoisie that controls the state. Capital is allowed to exist but is politically subordinate. When billionaires defy the party, they disappear from public life or go to prison. Try that in Poland or the EU, where corporations openly write legislation. And before tou say anything China is extremely democratic just not liberal democratic theres a reason the government has a 90+% approval rate even by western sources.
“Multinationals exploiting cheap labor.”
Foreign capital operates in China under state conditions: technology transfer, joint ventures, party oversight, and expulsion if they break rules. That’s why Western corporations constantly complain China is “unfair.” Exploitation without sovereignty is colonialism , China used controlled investment to industrialize and then moved up the value chain. That’s Marxism applied, not betrayal. Also working conditions are improving year on year as is normal in developing nations as they catch up but why would that stop you making your dumb gotcha.
“State capitalism.”
State ownership of commanding heights, five-year plans, price controls, public banking, and elimination of extreme poverty are not capitalism. Capitalism is when profit governs the state, socialism is when the state governs profit. China fits the latter whether liberals like you like it or not.
“Tiananmen.”
One event endlessly recycled decades because it’s the only narrative you have and you don’t even properly understand it. You think we dont know about it because you have no understanding of China or Chinese people. You are a chauvanist loser
“Class war.”
You’re right that history is class struggle, which is exactly why socialist states are attacked nonstop by imperialist ones. The difference is that in China, Vietnam, Cuba, and the DPRK, the ruling class doesn’t own the state, the people do through the dotp.
You don’t oppose oppression. You just side with the imperialist bloc that lost its colonies and never forgave the people who broke free. You are a fucking loser chauvanist 白左.
Still crying because your Nazi grandfather
I don’t know why we’re tolerating stalinists in the internet. Stalinists and maoists killed more people, more workers, families, even than nazis.
BTW. I’m from Poland, and most of my family members that lived in that time, were victimized, used as a slaves and so on. So maybe instead of praising one totalitarian regime, and hating on another one, learn a little bit history?
China does not have a bourgeoisie that controls the state.
Yup, and kings are selected by gods, and oligarchs worked very hard for many years to earns billions. True.
When billionaires defy the party, they disappear from public life or go to prison.
Pure existence of billionaires, and people with hundreds of millions dollars is a proof, that they don’t care about working class. This is the oligarch, ruling class that doesn’t exist? Do you know how much money Xi Ping has? Check it, and report back about >100 milion dollars. So, either he worked very very hard, doing what normally is done by 100 people, or his wealth comes from exploitation of the working class.
Exploitation
You know, that revolution started in France, Russia, or China, because regular workers were exploited so much, that they had enough, and the ruling class didn’t have enough power to stop it? Today Chinese government installed so many cameras, face recognition, internet scanning, that revolution is killed before it can start.
Capitalism is when profit governs the state,
Yup, so that’s china. Laogai https://politicalprisoners.eu/en/lao-gai-camps.html, or factories that are preparing goods for western customers, and workers are in a very big shit https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jun/18/foxconn-life-death-forbidden-city-longhua-suicide-apple-iphone-brian-merchant-one-device-extract
This is exploitation.
One event endlessly recycled decades because it’s the only narrative you have and you don’t even properly understand it.
Chinese oligarchs killing so many people just because if peaceful protests, and people don’t want to have so much control from the ruling class. Can you explain to me, why it was good in your opinion?
socialist states are attacked nonstop by imperialist ones.
Sadly, China is a state capitalism, not socialist. Soviet union was the same thing when Stalin took over.
the ruling class doesn’t own the state, the people do through the dotp.
That’s why you only mentioned one party systems, with state capitalism, that are known for exploitation their own citizens, and selling goods to a capitalist states?
You are a fucking loser chauvanist 白左.
Go back to praising state capitalism, i hope that your oligarchs are paying you for this bullshit. I hope that Chinese people will rise again against oligarchs and ruling class, and there will be no more state capitalism, factories will not be owned by billionaires, people will be free.
BTW. I’m from Poland, and most of my family members that lived in that time, were victimized, used as a slaves and so on. So maybe instead of praising one totalitarian regime, and hating on another one, learn a little bit history?
Lmao I was right. Your nazi family deserved it.
First of all, i know that you fans of chinese oligarchy and state capitalism does not know history.
But remember, Poland was attacked by Nazis (and two weeks later by soviets). Many victims of nazis were socialists and regular workers.
You’re saying that, working class people, a lot of them real socialists, deserved to be killed by totalitarian nazi regime?
Go back to licking chinese oligarchs boots. How did your beloved oligarch Xi get so many millions of dollars, can you elaborate?
Por que no los dos?
(America and Russia have the same values)
Okay but no one stands to gain from this Greenland nonsense like Putin
The United States is engaging in war and economic bullying across the globe, disenfranchising millions from the Global South. Whether it benefits Russia or not is impertinent to the crimes the US has commited since its inception.
Okay but im saying that trump is specifically acting like a Russian agent right now and I do think that’s pertinent. Even if it is in line with the rest of american history.
Okay but im saying that trump is specifically acting like a Russian agent
I think his actions are up to par with US legacy of imperialism and war crimes. Trump is as American as it can get, and saying that he’s acting like a “Russian agent” dissimulates the systemic evilness which the US represents, from genociding native Americans, to dtaging coup d’etats around the globe on behalf of its oil companies, and aiding the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. This is as American as it can get, and blaming those despicable actions on other nations is just as abhorrent.
Trump IS a Russian asset, don’t forget, they spent a lot of time and money to get him then keep him there. That doesn’t mean he doesn’t represent the horrid values of the USA from the past decade.
from the past decade.
Make that “three centuries.” This shit did not start in 2016.
Trump’s actions are up to par with US legacy of imperialism and war crimes, from genociding native Americans, to staging coup d’etats around the globe on behalf of its oil companies, and aiding the displacement and ethnic cleansing of Palestinians. Saying that he’s acting like a “Russian agent” dissimulates the systemic evilness which the US represents around the world, and blaming his despicable actions on other nations is just as abhorrent.
I feel you’re missing the point. Yes, Trump represents the white heritage of subjugation and genocide of the USA. But he didn’t get there by chance, there was a massive external campaign of disinformation to get him there as well. If there wasn’t interference, well we don’t know what the out come would have been. But you cannot overlook the fact that Russia WAS using him before hand and saw a useful idiot when the time came.
Trump’s rise to power was absolutely not by chance. However, your analysis isn’t satisfactory from a materialist perspective. Rather, it was the sum of neoliberal policies of the last few decades that radically transformed the material conditions of the United States (and other Western capitalist countries), culminating in several economic crises, most notably in 2008. The working class has suffered the most from deindustrialization and social services defunding, which Trump has perfectly weaponized in his campaigns by promising a fictitious return to an equally fictitious past. You have lower wages? Blame it on the immigrants! No jobs? Blame it on non-whites!! And so forth.
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