I could never get used to that sort of app. Be it Twitter, bsky, or even mastodon. If I follow people, my feed gets so much content that I consider spam.
Say, there is a person that is awesome and occasionally posts interesting things. But also posts random spammy stuff, like “just took a shower. I feel so clean!”. Why am I wasting my time reading that sort of content?? I think there are 0 people in the world from which I want to read 100% of their content. Maybe very very very few. So, it doesn’t make much sense to follow people, and then waste hours scrolling content about which I don’t care.
I could follow tags, but they still get so much spam and so I still have to scroll and scroll…
It is just not for me.
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Are y’all me? I never did Twitter, tried blue sky, got followed by someone pretty famous, but I really couldn’t give a fuck less about it. Like you said, I don’t want to know someone’s every thought and action. Shit just isn’t important to me.
I think it’s the whole parasocial relationship thing, where you think you’re close friends with someone who doesn’t know your name.
Retarded complaint.
Just because an account got verified doesn’t mean Bluesky agrees with them
You know what sends a message you don’t agree with someone? Banning their arses.
You know what implicitly shows you agree with someone? Not stopping them, and ensuring they’re legitimised by your system.
What BlueSky is now is a
NaziICE bar.Verify it, then put a warning along the lines of
“This is the official profile of a fascistic terrorist organization. Beware.”Yeah, that makes sense. But why just verify? What non-evil is there that you achieve with that?
But why just verify? What non-evil is there that you achieve with that?
It gives those who’re gonna have a field day with those cunts when they start lying, a legit target, and that it’s not some asshat that is pretending to be ICE. I’m on bluesky and somewhat delighted they’re going to have a presence. I’m gonna have fun ripping them new assholes.
What kind of zinger are you planning to drop that will make the intern running the ice account recoil and quit their job?
Oh, just general nastiness that befits America’s homegrown brownshirts. It won’t be for them so much as for anyone else reading their posts… You just get in front of the lies and call them all out.
The verification doesn’t work like on Twitter, it’s just proving the identity, it’s not some flag of prominence.
There’s even multiple organizations who can issue verifications on bluesky, for example newspapers can act as verifiers of their own staff;
I did understand that :)
But still: Verifying means you officially acknowledge their existence. And they are horrible pieces of shit; thereby acknowledging their existence should automatically include making the facts visible. There’s no reason not to call evil evil.
EDIT: Also, your comment was well-written and I have no need to actually argue against you. So, do not worry. I do not completely agree with you, but my disagreement is not terribly strong either :)
When I’m showing people the kind of shit this administration posts as an argument against them, I want to know it’s real.
And I don’t want to have to be on Nazi Twitter to do that any more than I have to.
Narrator: in fact the did agree with them, for the money was green and did flow and in the end that was what mattered to them
Bsky users are mad for saying the truth. They’ll find out soon enough when it gets bought by some billionaire. Then, after leaving twitter and bluesky, they go onto birdpoo or something and tell themselves “this time will be surely different!”.
Who the fuck cares if “they” agree with them or not.
ICE is a fascist appendage and should not be allowed on any “public discourse” platform.
It means that a little more than it means they disagree with them.
ICE are masked jackboot thugs illegally deployed to our streets by a psychopathic rapist to punish people who don’t vote for him. If there is ever a time to resist tyranny….
“Welcome. Let’s see what you have to say” is not an appropriate reaction to their presence.
Yes it does. It means they are okay enough with them to not ban them.
Surely there are some things that warrant a ban on bluesky. There’s some sort of line beyond which you are not welcome. We can infer from this verification that ice is on the safe side of the line.
I’m sure there’s at least one marxist that’s verified on bsky, does that mean jack dorsey is a communist?
Just a quick side-note: Dorsey is no longer in charge of Bluesky
Jay Graber is
clearly my commitment to showing my entire ass online is easy for me to stick to
It would mean that communism is acceptable to him. What’s tripping you up here?
So does that mean Dorsey is a nazbol since he agrees with both communists and fascists? There are neoliberals on bluesky as well, how does that affect our triangulation of his beliefs? I’m not saying you have to agree with how the company moderates its platform, but clearly as far as bluesky is concerned allowing someone to use the platform is not an endorsement of their views. It can’t be, because they allow people with diametrically opposing ideologies to use their platform.
Allowing them on the platform doesn’t mean a full endorsement of the belief. It means that he (or whoever makes the decision) finds the belief acceptable enough to platform.
There is likely some line which is too far, and not allowed on the platform. Perhaps “eating live babies”? “Kicking puppies”? Something that is so unacceptable, it would not be allowed. This argument is that ICE and Nazi stuff belongs on the far side. That as a platform owner, you can say “that’s not allowed here”.
Allowing one person to say “I think the NY Yankees are the best” and another to say “I think the NY mets are the best” on your platform (eg: website, newspaper, bulletin board) doesn’t mean that you personally believe both. But if you let someone post “I think white people are best” and just leave that up, that’s saying that’s an acceptable message to say. Just harmless like talking about baseball.
This argument is some positions, like what ICE is doing, is outside the range of acceptable. The platform (a website in this case) should say they have to take that elsewhere.
I have zero disagreements with this comment. My read of the top level comment was pretty literal, which is a tendency I have that gets me into trouble sometimes.
They shouldn’t be allowed onto the platform at all. Don’t verify them, ban them.
I’d rather the platform not be in charge of who’s allowed to use it. Yeah ICE sucks, but that’s not for the platform to decide.
If they break the rules of the platform, that’s a different story.
The platform is always in charge of who’s allowed to use it. They already ban people and censor certain types of speech. This is a discussion about where the line is, not if its been drawn at all.
They ban people for actions they take outside the platform?
Go and post about your plans to grab a few of your armed buddies and go terrorize, beat, and even kill some minorities and see if you’re allowed to keep your account.
That’s not how any of this works. Bluesky isn’t an agnostic protocol like http or a piece of paper. It’s a private platform, with arbitrary rules. Arbitrary rules that apparently do not prohibit ice.
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You clearly have never worked for .gov. Not a technology problem. Process problem.
Has anyone been able to get bluesky to work on something other than their server?
I don’t know what the back end looks like, but I see accounts hosted from unique servers fairly frequently. My favorite is @yeag.gay
If it’s connected to the rest of BlueSky, all of its data to any other servers goes through that of BlueSky’s. Even if user on private server A communicates with a used on private server B, the message is routed so that BlueSky’s main moderation team can always affect it – they can block it or they could technically even add to it if they wanted to.
No other servers on BlueSky have that right. Except servers that are completely detached from all servers connected to that of BlueSky. And their separate network has their own central server, then.
That’s probably not a different server. The ATproto allows users to use their website’s URL as their handle by essentially adding a text file on their website, but their account is still hosted on the Bluesky servers.
I seem to remember a mention of something like “blacksky” being a small instance that’s technically on a different server or…however bluesky actually works. It was mentioned briefly in an article titled something to the effect of “The Myth of a Protocol” where they were going over all the ways the bluesky isn’t actually a federated social media form in practice, even if it could technically be described as one.
- It’s the same fucking Billionaire, Jack Dorsey made/whatever Twitter, and then he made/whatever Bluesky.
- This is the same fucking thing as the windows/mac switch from the 00s. If you want an alternative to fucking windows, linux exists and existed back then too. But it’s the same, the masses want the corporate bullshit, just the “New and improved!” version becoming trendy.
Linux is barely becoming a viable everyday option now, switching to it in the 2000s was not gunna work for most people. Glad it’s picking up steam but c’mon.
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"jack Dorsey “whatevered” twitter, then he "whatevered " blue sky.
Linux wasn’t consumer friendly until Ubuntu, Mac was an obvious alternative for average consumers in the early 00s. These things only pick up traction when the average user finds value in it. It’s literally about the lowest common detonator user. That’s just how consumerism works.
Yeah, so since the user isn’t more knowledgeable then they deserve to stick with the shitty standard instead of buying a fashion product and being elitists about it.
If they wanted to be elitists they could have “switched” to Linux.
So ICE can’t get an account on Mastodon?
There’s a difference between “they can publish a book” and “this specific publisher will publish their book”
Not on any public-facing instances.
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Yes, but being on an instance is half the job. If 90% of other instances defederate from yours, you’re kind of left shouting into the void.
They can and should make their own instance. And we can defederate them.
Isn’t Truth Social running Mastodon?
Its a fork. So its the codebase which they’ve modified so it’s the technology of mastodon but not actually mastodon. Think of it as a drink that someone has put posion in. The drink itself is harmless and maybe even healthy and nutritious but the poison changes it entirely
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I’ve read somewhere they originally took the Mastodon server codebase, but it’s been heavily modified since and not compatible with ActivityPub.
Isn’t Mastadon AGPL? So legally if that was the case they would have to share sources (if Trump cared about the law)
Yes, and they have “shared” it. After repeat requests, they sent a zip out, and it was posted here:
https://codeberg.org/TruthSocial/truth-social
Certainly out of date by now though.
I doubt they care about the law.
Of course they don’t its Trump, if there was even a sliver of a chance that he could get sued he would pass a law banning copyleft liscenses and retroactively applying it to himself
Yes, but without federation
Yes, that was my point
There’s an entire howling void of unspeakable instances nobody will federate with, presumably sieg-heiling, shouting slurs and/or trading CSAM among themselves in the darkness. One more won’t change things.
“We” being individual mastodon admins who each choose if they think the server should be defederated or not? That sounds good.
As for bluesky, what they’re doing makes sense for a global non-federated site. Allow anyone to make an account, and allow them to post as long as they don’t break the rules. If a user doesn’t like that organization they’re free to block or mute them. Anything else and you’re asking bluesky to draw an arbitrary line somewhere. If they forbid ICE from creating an account, which government entities are allowed? FBI? National Weather Service? FDA? POTUS? Supreme Court? Federal Reserve?
I would bet if you say bluesky should ban “problematic” accounts and asked 100 people which accounts should be banned, you’d get 100 completely different answers. Just use your own judgment and your own block button.
You mean Jack Dorsey? He left in 2024 and deleted his account. He still gave Trump and Musk a platform, though so I have no doubt he would have approved this if he still was with Bluesky today.
Jack Dorsey is an example of how the dumbest man can fall upwards by being backstabby as fuck.
If they can backstab their way to the top, I wouldn’t call them dumb. I’m sure there’s plenty of subtleness and tact wrapped up in that.
That account is not visible on Bluesky now.
What? Gone so soon?
They were added to block lists if you subscribe to any of those.
Which ones?
A gov accounts mute / block list, for example
Good question, probably this one: @skywatch.blue
Thanks!
NP :)
For me it’s the “Trump Enablers” moderation list that I’m subscribed to
That’s actually a great solution. This way I can still verify firsthand what they’ve posted, if and only if I’m actually looking for it.
Its getting harder and harder to find a bar not full of Nazis
Host your own, connect with others that you like, block those you don’t, filter your own bubble, live with the consequences.
If you think about it, the USA is a Nazi bar.
It’s not though
There are Nazis in America and rather than leaving the “bar”, Americans stick around.
Yes, there are Nazis all over the world. That wasn’t your initial point. You said that America is being filled up with Nazis. I dont like MAGA not Nazis, but I do have the cognition needed to understand that MAGA and Nazis aren’t the general population in America. I don’t know why you have the need to spread this fear and lies.
You said that America is being filled up with Nazis.
No I didn’t.
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It should say fediverse, not mastodon. Other than that, yeah, expecting a billionaire to suddenly care about people is a fool’s errand
Genuinely, what billionaire? Who are you referring to?
Bluesky’s CEO is Jay Graber who also owns 40% of the company, the largest ownership share. She has a net worth of $5million.
So again, who is this ”billionaire” that you and everyone else in the comments is referring to?
Lots of people think Jack Dorsey owns Bluesky
Wellllll… In principle verification is not in itself an endorsement by the platform
In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentationIn practice, I don’t fucking care, abolish ICE, fuck everyone who bows to them, platforms aren’t obligated to be the mouthpieces of clearly fascist governments
In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentation
Why?
If the platforms are (or pretend to be) politically neutral, then that’s what they should do - just make sure the accounts that are being created are what they’re being purported to be.
As I said, that’s bare minimum. Next comes a lot of risk mitigation. Some common sense risk mitigation.
I mean, you can’t really have accounts, pretending to be the president of the US, making joke tweets, and having people believe them. In that sense, verification is reasonable.
But yeah, Bluesky shouldn’t be letting these freaks anywhere near their platform
I say verify ‘em and then ban ‘em. “This is the real account, and it can really fuck off.”
they could essentially create an account on mastodon and self verify. I guess the bad part is that bsky pro actively has to verify and they did.
The moment the US Gov would have any instance on Mastodon, it would be blocked into oblivion.
Mastodon.gov is probably already taken too
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TBF Bluesky users would send this account to blocko land quickly via block lists etc
This is your daily reminder to stop using platforms owned by billionaires.
Which billionaires own Bluesky?
Excuse me, but this is a Mastodon astroturf thread. Just close your eyes and hate Bluesky.
Seriously, I don’t use Bluesky or Mastodon because microblogs aren’t my thing since college, but I can see plainly why Bluesky is more appealing to the average person than Mastodon. Maybe Mastodon users could take notes and improve their platform instead of grandstanding in moments like these.
Such a fan of @Grutjes ♥️
tbf Lemmy is just Reddit in its infancy.
The lives of people that care about the issues are spent switching services as previous ones enshitify themselves in order to get an extra buck and/or please the dear leader. I feel like I’m always switching some kind of service.
Not sure how a decentralized platform can be controlled by a single entity. Maybe lemmy.world, but not Lemmy itself.
