Complied….shot anyway
Except in the US today the tank would’ve killed him
He’s holding two packages that could contained IEDs! Run him over before he tries to blow us up!
Would have killed him whether he complied or not
The Tianamen Square protest was for free speech, democracy, and to prevent China opening up to global capitalism… Which students and union leaders believed would lead to stark inequalities and wealth/class gaps.
Here’s a photo of factory worker Unionist bikers on their way to the protest.
https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/nudvsy/a_gang_of_striking_factory_workers_on_their_way/
Which part of your comment is about this protester complying?
Sounds like you want me to just comply with your parameters.
Just trying to figure out why you decided moving the goal post was the right call instead of addressing the actual subject matter.
They didn’t move the goal post. You used one event to compare another. It is perfectly legitimate therefore to talk about the original event. You may wish the most recent US event to be the topic of discussion, which is fine, but that doesn’t mean it’s illegitimate for the original Chinese event to also be discussed.
If you didn’t want Tiannamen Square to be discussed you shouldn’t have posted an image of Tiannamen Square.
I’m fine with the topic of Tiannamen Square but that looked like a copypasta that didn’t address the compliance topic. They had something they needed to say and dropped it in with no attempt actually tie it to this post instead of TS in general.
Which students and union leaders believed would lead to stark inequalities and wealth/class gaps.
Which, to be fair, they were right about. They just underestimated the level of prosperity it would bring China overall
Check the Wiki page. A Japanese journalist argues that it was staged because he wears an unusual white shirt and it happened in front of the hotel for foreigners, to have pictures without violence about the event.
That’s such an obviously bad take
The guy was carrying groceries. He obviously wasn’t one of the student protestors, which completely invalidates the point about his white shirt
If they wanted journalists to witness it, why did they search all of them and confiscate all pictures and footage of the incident? The few surviving photos were famously taken and smuggled out by Jeff Widener. He hid his negatives in the tank of his toilet, which prevented the CCP finding them
The explanation that Tank Man escaped is suspicious, because it’s widely agreed the CCP made him disappear
If that were the case, chinese authorities would deminish the event by always citing this picture and saying it was staged. They aren’t - they say it never happened - which is well documented and simply false. So whenever an authotarian regime doesn’t pick up on something that is useful to them - it is untrue and would be easily disproven were there the need for it.
Unless the Chinese are patient and strategic. They need to sway the masses when the opinions of the people count. The bad reputation was no obstacle to people buying from China.
The image is still bad because it is linked to whatever happened on the square. If they point out that it is false, people will ask what happened. If they say nothing, people remember this image.
It’s the opposite. The negativity of the picture comes from wild associations.
Tanks breaking for a civilian and soldiers not reacting with violence is in itself good.
Tankman was a huge propaganda win for the west. However upholding it in times of wikipedia is silly if the tanks were leaving. The man is not trying to prevent students from being crushed. What’s the message now?
To clarify, I don’t think that killing the protesters on the square was acceptable.
To clarify, I don’t think that killing the protesters on the square was acceptable.
Then why are you committing so hard to this silly conspiracy? The point of the conspiracy is definitely to make China look better. It’s one of the weakest conspiracies I’ve ever seen. Why push it?
The spreading of the picture makes China look better. I originally thought the man was trying to protect students, showing heartless soldiers. But he is talking to leaving soldiers.
If the picture is Chinese propaganda and staged, it stresses that the cruelty on the square was so big that this distraction was necessary.
If it is authentic then what do we see? Soldiers who respect the life of a protester.
You condone the murder but you don’t condone the cover up of the murder?
Edit: dumb
To clarify, I don’t think that killing the protesters on the square was acceptable.
I don’t condone the murder.
Yeah I swapped condone and condemn because I’m dumb
yikes
Fuck this drivel.
Everyone (at least in the West) seems to know about tank man, but there’s another story that’s not as widely known and I never understood why. It shines a whole new light on this and explains why the Chinese government is so heavy handed when it comes to this subject. It was more than just another autocratic crackdown on protestors, which, while terrible, are par for the course.
A good chunk of military units sent in to squash the protestors refused to carry out their orders, refused to brutalize and kill their countrymen. Some actively joined in on the protests, then units sent in to put a stop it joined in as well. This terrified the Chinese leadership so they sent in the 27th army group, largely comprised of illiterate peasant farmers with no connection to Beijing or its people, headed by a politically reliable officer. The 27th army group then proceeded to massacre everyone, not ‘just’ students and protestors, but their own comrades in arms, other PLA soldiers.
Read the British embassy report and tell me it doesn’t completely change your perspective. The CCP wants everyone to think this was just another protest, no big deal. It wasn’t, it was the time they almost lost control, and they know it. It’s why they’re so fearful.
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/UK_cable_on_Tiananmen_Square_Massacre
Except Ashley Babbitt, who is a hero for breaking into a secured area of the US Capitol during a riot and getting shot.
The man didn’t get run over. He climbed on top of the tank… https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTZjMDliOTUyb29jbTR6NmlwNzlvM2locDJtODlxODVuYjNqMG9uaWF4MzNhM3h6biZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/l3MjWQaSfumoo/giphy.gif
Good for you.
Ah the willfully ignorant type
It’s an issue of relevance. I know he climbed on top and walked with some other people off to the left and was never seen again. That’s irrelevant to the subject though. If he had just complied he would have never been there to create that iconic image. He certainly wouldn’t have climbed on top. We also know that while he may have vanished from history that street would later be covered in the bodies of others who were crushed by tanks and shot by their own nation.
It’s not ignorance. It’s taking in the whole situation.
Care to tell me how you know the streets were covered in bodies? I’ve never seen that. I’m being genuine
I’ve only ever seen the picture of this dude in front of the tank and then years later the video of him not getting run over. I felt tricked when I saw it.
I’m very aware there is censorship and propaganda at play but I know the US is playing that game in addition to China so I really don’t know what level of government force was used there.
The tank picture and the way it’s framed over here have me leaning towards the idea that there is no real evidence of a massacre. Maybe that’s China censorship or maybe it didn’t happen but if you got something I can look at and know more i’d appreciate you sharing it. 🙂
That being said without something like that the comparison feels unfair since we don’t know if tank man received any repercussions for not complying. 🤷 We’re as ice is just murdering civilians in the street in the USA.
Edit: to be clear I’ve searched around a lot but it’s so unclear to me. But maybe I missed something super important
Sorry but to continue I need to do a vibes check. How many people do you think were killed at the 1989 Tiananmen Square event?
Also, and this is just curiosity, were you alive at the time and able to watch the reports unfold in real time?
I sincerely don’t know if it’s a lot of people or none. Seems like both sides are lying and I can’t find anything concrete enough to be sure either way.
No I wasn’t I’m 30 (born in 1995). My awareness of this event for most of my life was just the picture of the guy in front of the tank. Once I saw the video of what happens next I spent a day searching for videos of violence or anything more concrete but whether it’s through censorship, my incompetence, or it not existing : I couldn’t find it🤷
That’s why I’m asking you. I want to know if I missed something because I want to be on the right side of this. I was raised an evangelical far right Republican whose family votes for trump and now I’m an atheist and a socialist. All that to say I do try to change my mind when it makes sense.
How’s my vibe dude?
Okay, I was getting the vibe that you were denying that there was even a massacre to be talking about.
One YouTube video of many. The last 25 minutes or so should give you some ideas. The picture from 1h11m is one that is burned into my head from back in the day.
