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Don’t forget the extra charges and price increases along the way which fund the tech billionaires who own these apps.
Previously we had Capitalism (and that already wasn’t great). Where a buyer and a seller met and then freely determined the price transaction.
Now via many of these market place apps (ebay, Amazon, AliExpress) we have markets where a third party (the platforms owner) can algorithmically control who sees what prices, and when, acting as a means to promote whatever prices benefit the platforms profitability the most.
That’s why the VC tech guru “disruptors” business model is often to run at a massive loss for years then basically owning a whole market.
This new system is called Techno-Feudalism.
I have mobility issues, and neurological ones as well. It was a mistake for me to use DoorDash because it’s convenient and for someone who suffers from being a shut in an expensive but perfect tool. I’d like food delivery though that wasn’t explotive.
what would marx do?
Walk 10 mins…? What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away. The nearest fast food to me would be like just shy of a 2 hour walk at an avg pace.
For most people getting anywhere is like 8-12 miles here in America if not further.
well I have like 10 restaurants within 10 mins walk…
One of the “perks” of living in poor parts of a city is having fast food within walking distance.
Then you’re a privileged person who shouldn’t be shitting on people who don’t have it as good as you.
No I’m not I just live in a different country. Still poor, I would be the person working this job if I didn’t have another bad job already.
Money is not the only form of privilege.
There are 8 billion people on this world. You and your experiences account for about 0.000000012% of the human experience. You’re absolutely stupid if you think your experience is anything like what others are. You live in a privileged city as a privileged person. You can talk about workers right without being a complete and utter ass clown about it. Please learn how to.
I hate to be the person to throw a brick into a spinning washing machine, but chill out.
You’re probably talking to somebody who would agree with you, someone who would be a friend.
You have a lot of absolutely righteous and justified anger about a situation that they’re attempting to make light of. I can see how you would take that personally. I also would take it personally if I were in your shoes.
Even though this situation is what it is, it’s still a good idea to attempt to drizzle a little honey on the words that you use to communicate it with them so that you can pull them to your side and explain your reasoning without pushing them out of the social group, right?
Ok, just replace the word “walk” with “drive” and the point still stands for most of the rest of america. In fact it shows even more laziness as driving is much easier.
I am so glad to be living in Seattle. I have at least 2 food trucks at breweries a 2 min walk away, sometimes 4 trucks. There’s also a Chinese place we love going to once a month for their to go boxes that’s about 6 mins away. But don’t live downtown or apartments all around (not that it would be bad, just making a point). It’s great to be walkable without all the noise.
Other cities need this but we gotta get rid of suburbia and most lawns really.
My lazy as SIL and her boyfriend will doordash food that’s a block away from the house.
Pretty much every country except for the USA seems to be a bull shit magic fantasy land. At least when living in any kind of larger city.
Canada is the same as USA in that regard. The only restaurant in 10 minutes walking distance to my place is Wendy’s. Anything good is 30 to 60 minutes walk or 5-10 minutes drive.
The US is doing very badly. Growing up it was a 3 mile walk to the nearest gas station let alone anywhere that served food.
Usually was unsafe to walk that since there were no sidewalks and I’d be charged by at least 3 dogs in the way.
One time I tried to start exercising and decided to walk down my road. I had a cop circle me for 20 minutes, and 3 people offered me a ride which was nice but they were so confused that I was just walking
I can walk to a spot, but it’s 15 Minutes there and then again back, plus getting dressed, plus waiting for my order. I could order pick-up of course, but at that point I would have to use the same app I can use to get it delivered. Can I spare an hour for dinner? When I’m meeting someone, of course. Several even. But when I just need to eat something, I’m not going to.
Can I spare an hour for dinner?
If it’s more affordable for you to order someone else to drive through the city to bring you food that someone cooked for you then there’s something nefarious going on.
If it makes more sense to focus on your specialization while paying somebody who specializes in local food delivery to do the delivery… No, yeah, that kinda sounds right. The actual issues I see here are not valuing the labor of delivery and getting too lazy, and maybe an issue where people are generally too time-pressured to take a break to get the food.
Wdym more affordable? I pay extra. I buy an hour of lifetime for like 3€. Sounds like a great deal to me.
This may not necessarily apply to you, but those 30 minutes of walking would do wonders for the overall health of your average American.
As an European, this is bullshit. 10 minutes walking (5km/h) is 830m, living at 415m in walking distance (not air) from a restaurant is statistically unlikely for anyone not living in a city center. Let alone actually having more than one choice.
Hi, yes, that’s a very USian issue. We here don’t believe in the separation of residential and commercial areas.
The UK separates like this, but residential are dotted with small stores, and industrial areas are strictly business warehouses and factories and such. Large stores are near the commercial/town centres and occasionally by the industrial.
Sim City taught me that causes something called “congestion “ and the sims get pretty pissed about it.
Seems like USAians are very happy with congestion.
What bull shit magic fantasy land do you hail form that ANYTHING is a 10 min walk away.
The American mind literally cannot comprehend the default state of being in Europe
Yes we are so used to living in hell
Also there are smaller towns in more rural Europe where it is a pain just to get down to the Main Street in the village where all the stores are. But you won’t hear about that on Lemmy.
I’m in New York City. There’s maybe a dozen food places within ten minutes. There’s more, but some of them may be in the 15-20 minute range. Several million people live here.
What hell do you live in that’s so remote?
Almost literally anywhere other than where you live.
Man, I grew up in the country and I feel like it took practically no time to get what city living is like (currently live in one). You really are proud of having no idea what other ways of life are like? It’s supposed to be rural people that are the ignorant ones.
No, I was asking about which specific hell they live in. edit: not specific like “give me your address” but like, suburb, countryside, whatever. Maybe I shouldn’t post before breakfast.
Fair enough, but honestly 99% of the places you can live in America are like that or worse. Your mind would be blown if you took a road trip in the American southwest. I drove on one highway in new Mexico that didn’t have cell service for a 2 hour stretch. More than an hour between gas stations. And I actually saw homes people lived in out there.
I’ve lived in the suburbs and traveled around the US a fair amount. I think sometimes about a time I was in suburban Illinois, and we were like “maybe we can order some food.” Opened up google maps and it was a wasteland. I think there was like one KFC open in the area.
My mind is more blown by why people defend living like that. Or actively choose it. It’s a horrible kind of place to live.
Ok, fine, sometimes there are tradeoffs. A guy I know bought a house out in the sticks someplace in the northeast. Has a yard for his kids. It’s not too expensive. But it’s a long-ass drive to get anywhere, and there’s nothing to do. Not a trade I would make.
I think we are pretty much on the same exact page actually. Having grown up in a place that pretty much is a wasteland but is also far from the worst place, I also wonder how anyone chooses it. But on the other hand for a lot of people it doesn’t feel like a choice even if it technically is. Some people just can’t imagine leaving their friends and family behind.
If I had my perfect living situation, I would live in the woods but still be a safe 20 min bike ride from a bustling city. That would be the best of both worlds imo. Seems like a pipe dream really, other than maybe in Colorado, sort of. Denver didn’t seem like it would be my favorite city when I briefly visited.
Anywhere that is not a city? Each time these things come up, I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
I was asking which specific hell they live in, but clearly I did not phrase my question clearly.
I become more and more convinced that city dwellers have no clue what it is like to live anywhere else.
It’s just that the vast majority of people live in cities. So whatever some rural people are doing - good. But maybe y’all need to cook and not expect some poor person to work 80h/week hauling your soggy fast food around just to break even - that’s not far from slavery.
If you can regularly afford delivery you’re certainly way better off than them.
A city may contain as few as 1 person. Cities are not defined by their total population or by their population density. Large cities are NOT the norm. You’re the exception. You’re the special case. You’re privileged. You’re rude. You’re out of touch. Maybe travel.
A city may contain as few as 1 person.
not true
(5) The term “city” means (A) any unit of general local government which is classified as a municipality by the United States Bureau of the Census or (B) any other unit of general local government which is a town or township and which, in the determination of the Secretary, (i) possesses powers and performs functions comparable to these associated with municipalities, (ii) is closely settled, and (iii) contains within its boundaries no incorporated places as defined by the United States Bureau of the Census which have not entered into cooperation agreements with such town or township to undertake or to assist in the undertaking of essential community development and housing assistance activities. Source
- 42 USC § 5302(a)(5)
Absolutely no population requirement
Yes an no, most people do live in cities (if we’re still talking about the US), but a minority of those cities are actually walkable. And many cities are limited in what areas are walkable.
It’s hard to find data on this obviously, so I can only speak anecdotally. Take a city like Dallas for example the core portion can be walkable, but it very quickly turns into un-walkable sprawl. Cities like Seattle and New York are very walkable. Then you have cities like Jacksonville and Orlando that are absolutely un-walkable.
I’d wager that more population lives in this un-walkable areas since the cores usually host buisnesses instead of apartments
Ok but if cities are not walkable, just don’t get food delivered on the regular.
You really just have no idea what you’re talking about, do you?
The idea that the core of Dallas is walkable is hilarious. There are portions of DFW that have been specifically curated to be walkable, but they’re usually akin to a theme park. You drive there, park in a giant parking lot (or worse, just endless strips of store front parking), then walk around what is effectively an outdoor shopping mall.
You’re a privileged person who has no idea what you’re talking about. You need to get out of you think that is the norm.
I think you’re just duckspeaking words like “privileged”.
You live in like one of the top 10 cities in the world. Shut up. Your experiences don’t trump real people’s real struggles.
What kind of place do you live?
Why does one of the most populous cities experience not count?
Why are you so emotionally invested in this?
Do people in large cities not struggle? Why do you think one set of struggles trump another?
Are you alright, dude?
Why does one of the most populous cities experience not count?
You insisted everybody was wrong because you’ve lived a different experience and that your experience is the “true” experience.
You’re a narcissist jackass. Instead of taking any amount of time to think about others and their experiences you immediately went to you and your experiences and attempted to negate others experiences.
NYC is not “a city” it’s fuckig NYC. You have almost nothing in common with people who live in “cities”. You’re a special case and if you cannot realize that then you are incredibly thick.
You could have said “Damn that sucks. I live in NYC and …” but no you said “I live in NYC. You’re wrong”.
You’re very angry and not worth the time to engage with further. I’m sorry for anyone in your life. Goodbye.
Literally any suburb.
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Yeah like why do you assume that “lower class” minorities are doing this work?
As a former white delivery driver fuck you op lol
Seriously.
I advocate against using Doordash because it is overly expensive and that money is better spent paying down debt. But claiming it’s bad to pay someone to do a job for you? The fuck?
It made sense during covid as a lifeline to use things like doordash, but it’s really metastasized into a blight on food service.
The pizza and chinese food joints I used to have delivered because it was traditionally the foods that delivered, just use those apps now. So even ordering a pizza is jammed up with inflated prices, hidden fees, and tips for corporate.
My work has a DoorDash account and uses it exclusively. When management decides to order food for us, it has to go through DoorDash.
The other week I was told they’d buy lunch for my team. Thing is, we all have different dietary needs. I was told to pick something for lunch, and when I did I was told, “Oh that restaurant doesn’t use DoorDash. Pick somewhere else. Also it’s a $10 limit.”
Oookay. My lunch being at an earlier time than many in my team, a lot of places that I would order from aren’t open yet. I don’t do fast food, which limits my choices further. Then you can’t put custom information in your order (like, “the #14 sandwich, but with no cheese”) which right out of the gate means a lot of options are out of reach. The $10 limit was also ridiculous, as food prices have been rising higher and now even the most basic things will be around $12 minimum. Navigating the site alone was a headache on top of it all, as it isn’t intuitive for someone with dietary restrictions. I eventually gave up and told my manager, “I know this was intended as a treat for us, but this is too stressful for me to try to do while I’m also working.”
Thankfully, someone else already knew of an option that would work for me, so I went with that. It sucks that although my work place is trying to be inclusive, being limited to DoorDash (and a $10 price ceiling) makes that incredibly difficult. I’d rather just be given the $10 and be done with it.
A $10 limit on DoorDash? Will that even get you a drink?
op basically just screamed “I am 19!” In the town square.
op assumes there is a town square
Gee…can’t walk a block to get food I’m too lazy to prepare. Good thing Doordash will deliver ozempic soon.
You are aware people with disabilities exist, right?
Well look at Mr(s) Fancy Pants living somewhere walkable!
I wish that jobs like this were higher paid.
I’m disabled, and thus sometimes when I order food in this way, it’s because it’s literally the only way for me to access food. That means that in a sense, delivery workers are important components of the complex network of social care infrastructure, and that makes me all the more angry at how exploited these workers are.
I tip generously when I’m able to, but often that’s not something I can afford. There’s not very much that an individual can do to improve the working conditions for exploited workers, and that’s true regardless of whether the person ordering the food is disabled or has some other need for delivery or someone who is just doing it for the convenience. It is possible for people to be able to order food for delivery at relatively affordable prices, and for the delivery workers to be sufficiently compensated for their labour, but that will require political change to counter the systems of oppression. Systemic problems can’t be solved through individual action
- Nothing wrong with a service existing.
- Racist to assume that only people belonging to a certain race use these apps.
- The apps are exploitative, sure. Advocate for better labor regulations here.
This is the equivalent of saying “don’t wanna make your own coffee? Go to Tim Hortons to be served by lower class Indians”. Same message, but with the racism highlighted.
I don’t mind the worker. It’s the exploitative employer I take issue with.
One time I ordered lunch fron Doordash and it never came, I checked the food tracker and it was somehow in AUSTRALIA.
I don’t believe that.
I mean no shit, the food didn’t REALLY end up in Australia. Burger King would’ve had to SEVERELY mess up for it to end up 9,496 miles away from my house.
You could’ve made this ‘meme’ with, literally, any service or product, couldn’t you?
No? A delivery truck is a 100x more efficient way of delivery.
Yes but that delivery truck driver is being just as exploited. They make less than their labor produces.
In your view that’s the fault of the consumer apparently
Yes but that delivery truck driver is being just as exploited.
Yes but they could theoretically get a fair wage. I don’t see it possible to have every american have fresh food delivered every day, because who could do that? Not enough hours in the day. It’s only possible because some poor people don’t have a choice but to work the worst jobs.
Right and by that logic you take the responsibility of paying a fair wage and move it from the company to the consumer.
It’s not always that easy.
Some delivery people are unionized, you know? They make good money.
and?
the meaning doesn’t change if you replace the brand for another.
