Too little too late
That’s a contradiction
Firefox has actually become less stable for me, which is crazy because it was stable for several years.
It had gotten bloated and unstable when Chrome first came out, too.
Why does Mozilla always trend toward mediocrity?
The enshitification of Firefox may slow at times, but it’s been consistently getting worse since Firefox 2.0 over 2 decades ago.
I wonder if it’s google telling Mozilla what to do, to keep getting their money.
Yeah. I’m still pissed off dev hours get wasted on this shit instead of, idk, HDR support? Persistent pinned tabs? Surround sound audio?
good.
For now.
5min ago some heresay said it would be easy to opt-out.
Can’t believe anything until it’s out.
They really should have come out with a local llm poduct seperate from firefox that is compatible with using it out of box.
Is the killswitch in settings? Because I had to set browser.ml.enable to false in about:config since there was nothing related to it in settings
Yeah, that’d be like the web browser equivalent of going into the Windows registry editor and changing a value in there. Like, it’s there, but unless you already know what you’re looking for, it’s not really an option.
They have said they will make one outside of about:config.
Is anything related to AI even in yet? Or is it that they just placed the flag in there for future use, but no features are in?
The tab grouping has an ai thing that suggests groups for you I think
and the right click summarize is in.
Not sure if it counts but chatbot support in the sidebar has existed for quite some time now.
Yawn. People have been saying “Screw MozIlla, I’m switching browsers now!”
Nothing new. Just disable the feature like you do with telemetry lol.
I disabled telemetry by switching browsers tho
You cannot do that in chrome.
I started using a firefox fork lol
switching browsers
Firefox fork
So still the same browser, just a different flavor. Chrome and Firefox are different browsers. IronFox and LibreWolf are still Firefox.
I’m interested in Ladybird so we can have an independent browser with no ties to Google.
Yeah, the same browser engine. That’d be like saying all linux is the same because they all use the kernel. I do look forward to ladybird though
They say a switch will be built in. There is no switch yet. Which means the deluge of little popups about AI tab grouping and the “look at Perplexity” messages are not going away until these changes are actually released.
the killswitch is in
about:configbrowser.ml.enable browser.ml.chat.enabled browser.ml.chat.menu browser.ml.chat.page browser.ml.chat.page.footerBadge browser.ml.chat.page.menuBadge browser.ml.linkPreview.enabled browser.ml.pageAssist.enabled browser.tabs.groups.smart.enabled browser.tabs.groups.smart.userEnabled extensions.ml.enabled browser.search.visualSearch.featureGatethey have said they will make an option that is not in about:config
Well they should have done this when the first ai feature was introduced. Bit late now.
Or you could just use Librewolf
FF build with adblock built in and AI/spyware ripped out
the killswitch is in
about:configAh yes, the easiest place to put a kill switch for the average user, as opposed to the complexity of a toggle in settings.
People on Lemmy will hate to hear this but the average user wants AI integrations.
That’s the main problem Firefox has. They are trying to appeal to a wide audience but their core users would never let them do anything that might do that. Then the core users sit there and wonder why Mozilla struggles and demand they work exclusively on the browser, an endeavor well known to not be profitable.
The average user doesn’t give a shit about privacy either as evidenced by the state of the current Internet.
The average user doesn’t give a shit about privacy either as evidenced by the state of the current Internet.
Indeed but 0% of them are using Firefox. That battles been lost
The discourse on lemmy about this Firefox change is wild to me.
In real life AI is the default in every setting already. The vast majority of people use AI in their day to day lives in some capacity, even if it’s just to ask chatgpt something dumb.
Your browser not having tight integration with AI immediately puts it out of the race for most people. It’s an expected feature when choosing a browser.
Firefox is making the most logical choice to stay relevant in the modern browser market. AI is legitimately something people, lay people want.
I don’t like AI myself, but I’m not sitting here being blind to the reality of the world around me where AI is an extremely important feature for many users.
I’ve never felt such a strong echo chamber effect than when I saw this discourse.
First, citation needed on these people who want AI. People on LinkedIn will hate to hear this, but I don’t think the average user does.
Second, I don’t understand your point. Do you actually believe the average user would feel compelled to switch to Firefox? Why? Instead, Mozilla is taking aim at their current users.
The average user uses llms like a search engine because search sucks rn
It sucks specifically because the megacorps want to make the AI look better than it is and because they want to keep people on search results pages…
The shittyness is a feature to these vultures.
Search sucks, so they’re using LLMs?
That really explains a lot about the current state of the world, to be honest.
That’s… Not really a switch. If somebody has to go to a secret place, get past a warning sign, and type in a half dozen secret commands… it sounds more like an espionage movie than the flipping of a switch.
And people have already complained that some of those flags don’t affect newer ones, which Mozilla keeps adding. We might as well say Microsoft has a setting to turn off telemetry, never mind it’s also hidden and it also keeps getting switched back on.
This is 12 switches
Too late, I switched
then make it an extension.
the fact that they’re entertaining ai at all is antithesis to mozilla’s mission of an open and environmentally friendly web free from profit.
Hmm no
Our mission is to ensure the Internet is a global public resource, open and accessible to all. An Internet that truly puts people first, where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent.
Thats the first paragraph from their mission statement here https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/mission/
Doesn’t say anything about environmentally friendly. Also I think this part “where individuals can shape their own experience and are empowered, safe and independent.”, and their stance on AI in their browser and it being opt in make sense. Some people want to use it. Let them have a safe and private way to use it. Maybe Mozilla can show how a privacy respecting AI experience can be. Wouldn’t that still be a net good?
“people first”
puts AI in
no no no no it’s on by default so it’s opt-out, and switch for that isn’t even implemented yet
I agree they should have put the switch first but also dev is messy. At least you can about:config it. And even then your data isn’t being sold out to anyone unless you use it.
The best killswitch is called Librewolf. Another good one is Waferfox.
Anyone know why LibreWolf isn’t in the default Debian repositories? I trust Debian - I’m not going to add a repository to get LibreWolf.
Until it’s available from a default Debian repo, I’ll keep going thru my list of all the garbage I have to go switch off in Settings and about:config every time I install Firefox for someone.
I just installed librewolf yesterday. Pretty cool, except for the no dark mode thing.
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Opt-in you say? How about RMB click with AI chatbot that you can disable by clicking “Disable AI bot” there? Wasn’t opt-in first. And, how is that in aboug:config .ml. list contains tons of entries set to True, rather than False? How in the fuck is it opt-in? It has been opt-out and in order to opt-out most of it, you would need an intermediate/advanced user. There was no toggle switch on a sidebar for normies to see and click. I call BS on this statement.
