WTF? They are a human, not your servant. This is 21st century, not 18th, and it was fucked up back then too. In fact, western service culture needs to die as a whole. Get the fuck out of that chair and go pick up your own damn food. There’s no good reason to have waiters except making lazy middle class people feel wealthier than they actually are, it doesn’t save anyone any time or make things more efficient.
Hate to break it to you, but they are my servant, they are employed by the person to do their job which is to bring me my food, I am not there to pretend I want to be their friend.
I mean, sure, it’s a bit like certain people in 19th century US saying “they are my slaves, I paid for them, I feed them, their job is to pick my cotton! They are known as SLAVES you dopes!”
My disagreement is categorical, there should not be slaves nor servants in a fair and just society.
You’re the one talking about servants and slaves, these people are there to serve me that is their fucking job. I am not there to pretend to be their friend.
You’re paying them though, both sides agreed to play the role. It doesn’t matter what your opinion on the matter is, the customer paid to be treated like royalty and it’s usually something the restaurant wants to offer and so pays their waiters to do.
I’d happily stand up and get my own food, in fact this is why I generally avoid restaurants, but imo ter “roleplay” is included in the price. It’s like those maid cafes in japan. Sure they “are not your servant”, but this is part of the experience, so you could argue that by ruining the experience you paid for, they “robbed” you.
That’s my issue with this bullshit, it reproduces a fucked up hierarchy. You might believe it is roleplay or whatever, but in fact the material relations are the same: a typically more affluent person is paying a less well-off person to be their servant for the day.
As long as there is demand for it, it will continue happening. You can choose to not encourage it, but this desire to be treated reverently by someone of lower status is something deeply engrained in humanity, I doubt it’s ever going away. Pretty much every civilization throughout the ages and around the world has had some form of it.
Being served at a restaurant allows someone who’s not upper class to get a taste of what it could feel like. What’s the difference compared to an office worker indirectly paying the janitor to clean his toilet? They chose the job and are getting paid for it. Maybe it’s degrading, but everyone’s got to start somewhere. Remove those jobs and these people just won’t make money, which is just a worst outcome for everyone involved.
WTF? They are a human, not your servant. This is 21st century, not 18th, and it was fucked up back then too. In fact, western service culture needs to die as a whole. Get the fuck out of that chair and go pick up your own damn food. There’s no good reason to have waiters except making lazy middle class people feel wealthier than they actually are, it doesn’t save anyone any time or make things more efficient.
Hate to break it to you, but they are my servant, they are employed by the person to do their job which is to bring me my food, I am not there to pretend I want to be their friend.
EDIT: THEY ARE KNOWN AS SERVERS YOU DOPES
I mean, sure, it’s a bit like certain people in 19th century US saying “they are my slaves, I paid for them, I feed them, their job is to pick my cotton! They are known as SLAVES you dopes!”
My disagreement is categorical, there should not be slaves nor servants in a fair and just society.
It’s like talking to a literal idiot here.
You’re the one talking about servants and slaves, these people are there to serve me that is their fucking job. I am not there to pretend to be their friend.
It’s not “western service culture”. It’s the US’s
You’re paying them though, both sides agreed to play the role. It doesn’t matter what your opinion on the matter is, the customer paid to be treated like royalty and it’s usually something the restaurant wants to offer and so pays their waiters to do.
I’d happily stand up and get my own food, in fact this is why I generally avoid restaurants, but imo ter “roleplay” is included in the price. It’s like those maid cafes in japan. Sure they “are not your servant”, but this is part of the experience, so you could argue that by ruining the experience you paid for, they “robbed” you.
That’s my issue with this bullshit, it reproduces a fucked up hierarchy. You might believe it is roleplay or whatever, but in fact the material relations are the same: a typically more affluent person is paying a less well-off person to be their servant for the day.
As long as there is demand for it, it will continue happening. You can choose to not encourage it, but this desire to be treated reverently by someone of lower status is something deeply engrained in humanity, I doubt it’s ever going away. Pretty much every civilization throughout the ages and around the world has had some form of it.
Being served at a restaurant allows someone who’s not upper class to get a taste of what it could feel like. What’s the difference compared to an office worker indirectly paying the janitor to clean his toilet? They chose the job and are getting paid for it. Maybe it’s degrading, but everyone’s got to start somewhere. Remove those jobs and these people just won’t make money, which is just a worst outcome for everyone involved.