• LordCrom@lemmy.world
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    30 days ago

    This generation has never seen the ravegaes that these preventable diseases can reek.

    These vaccines are the pinnacle of health care research and most were given away for free by those who discovered them… They gave away millions in potential licensing fees for the greater good of humanity… Now that gift is being spit up on by people who have no idea what they are talking about.

    What a disgrace.

    • TheMinister@sh.itjust.works
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      30 days ago

      The fact that you changed “spit on” to “spit up on” was perfect. These are emotional toddlers flailing their arms and kicking their feet and accidentally spitting up on all of us and everything sane. Kudos

    • Cactopuses@lemmy.world
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      29 days ago

      I used to agree with that. But then Covid happened and I listened to people on the radio call in saying “we gotta let a few old people go to save the exonomy.” As though human life was an acceptable cost.

      I genuinely thought people at least were ignorant to the death tole to then but I was mistaken. It got so bad the host cut off calls.

      The vaccine then came out and I watched millions shun it, despite being shown to be safe and effective. Sure, some folks thought they were dangerous (disinformation and all) but that radio show told me, some people want the world to burn.

      There are people who saw devastation and don’t get vaccinated because it’s an acceptable loss.

    • clutchtwopointzero@lemmy.world
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      30 days ago

      that’s one of the side effects of the poor education in the USA… test oriented education focuses on scoring high on tests and general knowledge items such as the history of public health and vaccines are neglected, or if they are discussed, they are discussed in kindergarten terms

      • JamBandFan1996@lemmy.ml
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        29 days ago

        I’m pretty sure the people that did well in school are not the ones who don’t support vaccines though

      • AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world
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        29 days ago

        I mean if you know about the Tuskegee experiments you might understand why a certain group of people are skeptical about ANY kind of government “vaccine”.

        The TL:DR is that the US CDC injected people with syphilis but told them it was a vaccine, just so they could see what the long term effects of syphilis were when you didn’t get treatment. 100 people died as guinea pigs.

  • OboTheHobo@ttrpg.network
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    30 days ago

    People have talked about this before, but it really does seem like people have forgotten how bad some of these diseases could get and how much vaccines helped us. In 1991 plenty of folk remembered polio, maybe even had a relative who got it. Good number remembered smallpox and/or got that shot themselves. But now less and less people really understand both the scale of devastation those diseases caused and the scale of how many were helped and saved by vaccines.

    • madcaesar@lemmy.world
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      29 days ago

      It’s sadly funny in a way…

      Historic documents, photos, studies, documentaires telling about real diseases and how we beat them not that long ago. Fake news I sleep.

      Some book tells about some bullshit magic 2000 years ago written by idiots that didn’t know germs existed. Real shit!

    • Cptn_Slow@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      That’s actually hilarious, tell me you’ve never been to the United States without actually telling me.

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        30 days ago

        I live in the US which is why I know for sure it’s a failing empire. We already lost most of our respect on the world stage. Dollar losing value. Allies realize we are too unstable. The only thing we still have is a military that will fuck anyone who we want to. But give it time, we’re a few decades from instead of being below most of the other first world nations in any given metric, being far below all of them. This vaccination shit alone will kill millions. We are fucked. What are you smoking to not see it?

        • Cptn_Slow@lemmy.world
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          Yeah it’s really not though. You really need to get out of your mom’s basement before you pretend to be an authority on what constitutes a “shithole country”.

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            As an american it is in fact a shithole even if the area I live in is (IMO) the most beautiful area on earth. And the politics of this area are good so I probably won’t be sent to a concentration camp until the federal government starts taking over states at least.

          • TrickDacy@lemmy.world
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            30 days ago

            Lol people who always throw the “mom’s basement” shit always strike me as people who live in their mom’s basement

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      1 month ago

      Subjectivism enables propaganda and propaganda enables polarization.

      And currently there is no solution and owners love it this way.

      While slaves fight culture wars, they are dominating the class war.

    • Cptn_Slow@lemmy.world
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      1 month ago

      No, the news conglomerates won’t stop.

      No one I know actually thinks like this, but it’s easy to run made up problems 24 hrs a day, than point out actual corruption like every career politician insider trading.

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        1 month ago

        People do think like this. News and media have issues but what you picture here is just over the top. Also not every x does y.

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          1 month ago

          Then let the stupid people pay the price.

          Majority of x does y. I know, I know, not your side I’m sure!

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            30 days ago

            Unfortunately, that’s not how vaccines work. They only work if the stupid people and the non-stupid people all get vaccinated to create herd immunity.

            Kinda the same deal as COVID. It will affect the people getting vaccinations, too. And some regular people cannot have vaccinations, for good reasons. So, this affects people outside of the group of stupids.

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        30 days ago

        That is so like your type to point out their making partisan issues partisan issues. We certainly don’t think like that.

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    30 days ago

    We should just quarantine the whole US. No travel in or out without 2 months in a lazaret. If they wanna rot on their own, fine. But don’t go spreading disease elsewhere.

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    30 days ago

    Every fucking day some Americans are allowing their enemies to win by defeating themselves with lies.

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    1 month ago

    Florida is like the last nail in the coffin for whether or not to stay. What’s the point in staying if our country isn’t even afraid of smallpox and polio.

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      30 days ago

      Smallpox is probably why we have contemporary anti-vaxxers. Without a lethal, Flood-like disease, people quickly think that it’s okay to just be fucking disgusting and let themselves and their kids get everyone sick.

      People will learn why we vaccinate against the fucked up, biblical diseases of yestercentury.

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    I wonder if there are some people on the American right who actually see it as a kind of Darwinian cleansing of their society.

    They want to get rid of the week, the elderly, and the stupid, and this is a way for those people to self-select for extermination.

    Of course there will be some collateral damage, but those who know better can protect themselves. You think that Trump and those around him don’t have every vaccination that you’ve ever heard of, and probably some that you haven’t?

    • III@lemmy.world
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      Do you want people who think they are their god’s chosen? Because this is how you get people who think they are their god’s chosen…

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    30 days ago

    Florida, the childhood mortality state.

    Florida, bury your children here.

    Florida, where polio thrives

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    We’re doomed. If 51% of the country has decided, based on a neverending stream of lies, that we should all die rather than receive basic health care, then there’s really nothing much left to argue about. America has has decided it would rather commit suicide than acknowledge that there are people who DO know what they’re talking about and actually listen to them.

    That’s it. We’re done. We’re all gonna die of some easily preventable plague because we didn’t fucking ostracize these idiots twenty years ago. The country is now run by the people who actually believe the comical lies the GOP used to tell to keep the idiots compliant. I don’t think you can come back from that.

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      30 days ago

      Although if we want a more pessimistic view

      If we assume that “eligible voters” is a roughly representative sample of the country in general, well over 51 percent of the country either voted for this (directly by voting for trump, or indirectly by voting 3rd party) or didn’t care enough to even show up and vote.

      Because that’s what happened. Something like 3/4 of eligible voters decided that this was an acceptable outcome.

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      It’s just history man. Most of us in the first world are, for the first time, on the wrong end of it. The Expanse called it the churn.

      Some part of me is laughing, “Have y’all not studied history?!” It’s our time to witness the fall of the empire. But hey! The 80s and 90s were fucking sweet in America!