My actual reply to this nonsense that I’ve experienced before. Tell me what your startup does that benefits humanity. Other than making a few people rich, how does humanity benefit from this product. You want me to give up my life outside of work and I will, the moment you tell me this product will make humanity better.
I’m too tired of this bullshit. These people would rather just keep digging holes than determine the best way to build a house. If you’re ever in this situation, you dodged a bullet.
I feel like anyone who says they love their work so much it doesn’t feel like work just doesn’t have an actual life that they like to live so work just beats out not working everytime.
I think there are people who love their job me included. The clients and co workers make it a bad experience.
I fucking love not working! I prioritize time spent not working over time working every day of my life.
sits back and waits for people to insinuate about my work quality
I love my work, and at times I work long hours, nights, weekends, to meet specific goals or when there is an emeegency.
That is however the exception, not the rule.
I need my day to day to be smooth, I need my blend of work from home, so that when the high energy bursts do happen, I can handle it.
The idea of working at crisis levels all the time as standard is just insane to me, and suggests bad time management and expecations.
na, they’re just lying. people at the top work far less than anyone else.
I mean there is people who work for organizations like Doctors without Borders. Being deployed in a zone of natural disaster or war, they probably rack up 60+ hours a week easily. However their pay is much smaller than what they could get in the “market”. Turns out people can love their job, if it does something meaningful, rather than make some rich people more rich.
There are exceptions to every rule. There are super lucky people for whom their job really is their hobby. Then, even if they do have a life , they can still find their work doesn’t feel like work. Life is not fair - it’s not shitty for everyone equally.
People who say that have ‘jobs’ where they blather and other people do work then money comes in.
they also aren’t doing any actual proper labor, just at the 19th hole having a “business lunch” with a “possible investor”
or “securing partnerships” by spending 2 days travelling for a 3 hour meeting
Does golf actually have more than 18 holes, or is this a sex joke?
Be kind: I don’t know golf…or jokes.
The 19th hole is the traditional joke name for the bar/restaurant that you go to after you finish playing. Not sure where you got sex from, but no, there is no sex involved in golf.
there is no sex involved in golf
Rule 34 says otherwise
Oh that makes sense, thanks!
It’s the internet; it’s pretty safe to assume sex (or sex jokes), especially when holes are mentioned.
I can see a young bachelor with no hobbies choosing that but if you have a family and do this then you might as well just say that avoiding them is your only hobby.
Tar and feathers… some ‘CEO’ make me to think about that old tradition.
Founder/CEO/Designer - Micro…
Unless that ends in “soft” you’re a failure and you’re trying to bring everyone else down with you.
If it is “soft”, you’re a known pedophile and you should be in prison.
We all know it’s not MicroSoft but rather MicroPenis1
If you’re not willing to work yourself to death… We don’t want you
Would be nice if those companies actually didn’t find anyone, but alas they keep being rewarded.
I think this lots. Them “free market” types get real grumpy and start putting their fingers on the scales once it doesn’t go their way.
See “nObOdY wAnTs To WoRk AnYmOrE” and finding new creative ways to raise the cost of living at every turn.
Without a
desperate and hungry(ahem) “career motivated and ready” workforce, it becomes difficult to “acquire talent.”
Guy probably works, effectively, for 4 hoours a day, and then puts 16 into Jira.
On another note, I work 10 a day give or take, and that’s because I can then take a few days off anyway. And I love my work and can afford it. Nobody pays me more than my hourly rate (if it is not a requested overtime in case of a night release [2x hourly] or being on emergency in case something breaks [0.5 hourly, but paid even if no emergency is raised, but have to be on call, so 8 hours of undisturbed sleep is like working 4 hours]). I do this on my own volition.
If you own the business, work as much as you want. If you have employees then be fucking reasonable
I work 80+ hr weeks and it never feels like work because I love it.
In other words, this guy works not for the money, but because it’s what he’d do even if he wasn’t paid. Sounds like he could afford higher taxes.
The grammar alone is enough of a red flag.
“No no, you don’t understand. You shouldn’t have a family, you have to flog yourself to death for this startup company that’s making a Gym Membership app. If you don’t neglect your kids to vibe code a scheduling system then you just don’t deserve a job and you and your family should just die”
Some of you will die but that’s a sacrifice I’m willing to make.
Bro, if you don’t believe in GimLyfe, maybe success isn’t for you.
You should really consider having the grindset to be a self-starter in our face-paced family, instead of having a real family.
Sounds exploitative because it is. Just because work is your entire personality doesn’t mean every one else’s should be too. Fucking tool
who deeply believe in the mission (and the future value of their equity)
This is the only proviso for me. Some people wouldn’t mind working themselves to exhaustion for a lot of money. Then the question of whether it’s exploitative or not depends on the amounts involved and the conditions of equity ownership
Recently read “Pimp” by Iceberg Slim, and it seems like a training manual for (some) modern managers and executives. Use your recruiting process to select low-esteem, easily manipulated people to be your worker drones, and they will do 80 hour weeks to earn that pizza party.
Our western society is built on this bullshit. It is the cancer that is killing us all.
Nah we Germans are chillin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours
Sign up with this guy. Work nights and weekends for three years. Then he cashes out, you get 30.000 shares of worthless “stocks” and a severance notice becauser he decided to pivot . Repeat. Repeat. Repeat.
Yep, sounds like fun. :|
Hey, I’ve had that experience. It sucked.
No question this guy is a tool, he’s posting on LinkedIn. However, he’s not wrong about startups being a bad fit for anyone looking for work-life balance. You’re literally trying to build a business from scratch as fast as possible before the seed money runs out, and your compensation is usually more equity than salary. No time for anything but work in that scenario, or no one gets paid.
Everything he wrote makes sense IF you are working for yourself, for your startup, get paid by the hour (doesn’t apply since he mentioned little pay), or you are gaining priceless skills and experience which you can soon after capitalize from (investing yourself).
The work my firm does affords no work life balance, and I tell that to anyone that approaches us for work. That said I also tell them that they will get paid for every hour they work.
Expecting people to work extra without additional compensation is illegal in a lot of states but the slave/hustler mentality has normalized it for many.
PS: At my firm, the number of work hours is determined by the employee. If you are only available for 10 or 20 hours a week, then that’s all you work, but that’s also all you get paid for. We have a few “retired” experts that only work a handful of hours but they have irreplaceable expertise. It’s a win/win IMHO.
I know he’s not the only one but the exploitation of salary workers is insane to me. I’m a PM at a niche contracting company, I’m hourly and 40 hours is full time. I’ve had conversations with my boss about going salary and told him that it’s still only 40 hours a week.
I’m still hourly and I work overtime occasionally but you better believe I’m getting paid time and a half for any time over that 40 hours. And if I even touch my work phone while I’m on vacation, I’m billing those hours.
