The same can be said of Middle Earth.
This isn’t dank, it’s imperialist meme.
Religion will create all war in the Middle East.
Except almost all the problems in the middle east today can be traced to the Sykes pico agreement and imperialism by secular powers
People who don’t read history create reductive takes
nice job fabricating consent to murder civilians
interesting, when a nation forms in the middle east without western influence, you get a mutual aid feminist state, which the media does it’s best to ignore, because the narrative that it is ethical to bomb arabs must be preserved.
You realize the kurds are heavily backed by the US, Israel and other western powers?
Most of the war in the middle east for the past century was created by secular imperialists, motivated by material greed and racism.
OMG, Nostradamus was right!!!
“An empire will rise”
“An empire will fall”
“War will break out in the Middle East”
“The Boston Red Sox will win a World Series”OMG, was this man a wizard or what?!!
I’m a weak man UwU
strong men create good times (when they meet the weak man)
; )
I’m gassy. I haven’t started war in the middle east yet, but I’m young. Ish.
hey, we all grow up at our own time.
no rush,
you’ll start your war in the middle east when you’re ready.
It’s called zionism.
People have been slaughtering each other for well over 5000 years in the Middle East.
Yeah with like 300 year gaps of peace per war. Not like this.
under that logic people have been slaughtering each other all over the world.
the largest reason of war in the middle east are neocolonialism (western blocks controlling their puppet states for oil) and actually old timey settler colonialism (Zionism).
saying “people have been slaughtering each other for…” is such a non answer.
why did Nazis invade France? because they been fighting in Europe for thousands of years
why was JFK shot? because people have been killing eachother for thousands of years
you see how meaningless, non answer it is?
I bloody hate though terminating clichés.
The root cause to violence in the Middle East isn’t Zionism and it certainly isn’t today as well. It plays a role, certainly, but it’s not the main cause.
Comparing Zionism in its early forms to colonialism is wild. The lands originally settled by Zionist people were legally purchased. It became much more convoluted, when the British mandate informally supported two different claims to statehood on the same country, in order to gain support from various groups of the region. What we see today, can be described as „the British fucking around and leaving others to fight over their mess“. But even that is a simplistic answer. The reasons for the current situation are multiple and stretch over vast time horizons. Simply attributing the cause to Zionism is antisemitic. That being said, I oppose the current israeli government and its allies ideas. But the reasons for war, oppression and violence are never simple. Life isn’t black and white.
Yes, that’s about when we got people there.
This conflict will never end as long as people keep listening to their imaginary friends over the reality in front of them. And each atrocity on both sides simply guarantees the fighting will last for ages longer.
What your saying is ahisotrical because most of the issues in the region since WW1 have been because of western influence and imperialism.
oh you sweet summer child, the crusades mean nothing to you?
not to consider the countless invasions from persia, africa, etc., it’s really all that simple huh sparky?
My comment clearly mentions since WW1, not all of history.
It seems like your one of those people that magically thinks all issues come from religion, my question to you is then, do you recognize the destruction wrought about countries all over the world by secular states? What about communist Russia which had state enforced atheism that killed and invaded so many people and nation? How about communist China?
See how we quickly see it isn’t just a religious thing?
oligarchs are loving your stupidity,
they installed theocratic tyrants to funnel oil, and you blame on the “see, they have a religion different than mine, they so stupid”.
and then push their fabricated consent to bomb those countries of their puppets step out of line.
meanwhile, when they make their own nation without western influence, we get the most leftists, feminist state in the world the media is actively ignoring to avoid breaking the narrative.
oligarchs are loving your stupidity,
the mullahs and the rabbis love your naivety.
and who put those nutjobs in power?
Did you know that the most femist leftists state is a Muslim state made without western influence?
and who put those nutjobs in power?
not fuckin’ me lol.
if you’re a wasterner, then chances are your country had something to do with it,
and you personally are enjoying the benefits of turning the middle east into theocratic dictatorships.
like cheap(er) gas.
sure thing buddy. and if you’re not a westerner, you can eat ass all day for all I fuckin care.
I don’t drive, but go fuck yourself regardless :D
Go fuck yourself your racist coloniser
The vast majority of the war in the middle east for the last century has been caused by secular imperialists motivated by wealth and power.
The standard western refrain of “they’re religious, so we have no choice but to carpet bomb their cities, overthrow their governments, and destroy their economies” does not count as religion causing the war. Except maybe for the American Civil Religion, and it’s equivalent for western supremacists more generally.
That idealist nonsense is not grounded in material reality.
Religion is a post-hoc justification for imperialism. Britain didnt create Israel because of their religion, but because it was an effective way to get a colony and get rid of jews (lord Balfour was wildly antisemitic). American politicians who give Israel billions in weapons and political support dont get millions in campaign funds from Raytheon and co to get elected because of their religion, but because it benefits the military-industrial complex. The structure determines the super-structure; Ideology, culture, religion, etc are all molded to reinforce the relationship with the means of production.
m. Britain didnt create Israel because of their religion, but because it was an effective way to get a colony and get rid of jews (lord Balfour was wildly antisemitic).
they sold it twice. once to the orthodox and once to the Palestinians. a drunken stumble from the ottoman empire we’re still coping with.
and now our idiotic evangelical nutbags are fueling their vision of the end times.
imagine if everyone stopped believing there was a higher power pushing them to this bonkers state
You say that like the entire secular leadership of the West hasn’t consistently been breying for oceans of Palestinian blood.
Then the corporations that benefit from supporting israel would find different politicians to support to enacting the same ends.
Do you think that if Martin Luthor was born in China instead of Germany, there would have been no reformation? If Adam Smith was born in Ancient Egypt, they would have created capitalism and iPhones instead of pyramids?
The belief in an objective reality is precisely what motivated the crusades, the nakba, and most other genocides. They believed in reality, and they believed their experience of the divine was objectively true for all others. Thus, that their actions were justified.
Peace will only happen when we admit that our perceptions aren’t objective. The gods who talk to us in our sleep exist because we believe in them, not because of an external reality. There’s no such thing, and admitting subjectivity is the only way to accept differences and make peace.
They believed in reality, and they believed their experience of the divine was objectively true for all others. Thus, that their actions were justified.
yeah, I agree they were deranged by deities. fancy way of putting it tho.
Peace will only happen when we admit that our perceptions aren’t objective. The gods who talk to us in our sleep exist because we believe in them, not because of an external reality. .
ohhhh… aaahh… uhhhm… NO thanks, you keep your sleepy whisper invisible friends to yourself mate, I’m good
Money is a god. It has no existence in the physical world. In the physical world, it’s just paper, common metals, and bytes. But in the social world, it’s the arbiter of law, morality, life, and death. It controls all of society. I can’t think of a better example of a god.
You may be aware that money isn’t truly real, but you still engage in its rituals, live life as it demands. It has become your social reality. We must acknowledge that all things are subjective, so we can destroy them if they do wrong. There is no objective truth, we decide our world.
Now, that’s a different angle on viewing these things. Or at least I’ve never heard it phrased that way. Interesting. Thanks for the insight!
You’re welcome. I’m an anarcho-antirealist. You can read our manifesto at https://soulism.net/.
I firmly believe that reality is the “final boss” of leftism, and that no socialist movement will see long term success while we believe in reality. We live in a subjective world created by capitalist media, and we must seize the means of Creation - the social process of deciding what is true about our world. Whether it be interpreted as propaganda, spirituality, science, or law.
When we admit that the world is not objective, we take away the ability for leaders to control us with Creation. We weaken hierarchical religious structures, and strengthen collaborative systems like science.
I get ERR_CONNECTION_RESET when I try to look at the site.
I don’t know that I completely agree. Science suggests that there is an objective reality, it is our percepttion that is not objective.
Perception is reality, Plato’s Cave and all that.
Humans are mostly driven by emotion and using logic to make decisions, even only at the personal level, is difficult and rare. Leaders, political and religious, use that emotional thinking to consistently short circuit logic and rationality. They drive emotional thinking in whichever direction to achieve their goals, usually at the expense of the people.
Personally, I’ve had ‘good’ results over the last few years deliberately divorcing emotion from the decision process and just looking at the facts as best I am able to understand. Watching everyone around us going nuts: friends and family into Qanon and MAGAtry, vaccine denial, etc. It’s been painfully educational.
Best I can tell, most people are functionally illiterate and irrational. (Illiterate may not be the correct word, un-critical maybe?)
I now think that most people of the left are the same, maybe a little better. Tankies here on Lemmy are a great example, they’re so emotional that their brains have fallen out. I fall firmly on the left even if I think that most of us aren’t really thinking and are actually working off what feels correct.
So, while I do think there is objective reality, I don’t think most people are even trying to work off it. I’m not sure that we can. So, functionally, reality is pretty subjective.
I do know that, personally, I’m driven to try and gain as accurate a worldview as possible given the facts and science available to me.
I have almost no mysticism left in me. I do feel awe at the natural world, the cosmos, my love for my people. I’m comfortable allowing that feeling guide some of my decisions. I don’t think much personal harm will come from a deep respect of nature, for instance.
After losing my religion, I have defined my life’s purpose as taking care of my people. It’s arbitrary and emotional, but it brings me comfort.
Whoops, I’m too used to typing an S in web addresses. The link should work now.
I think people are trying to work off of objective reality, and that’s a problem. For example, TERFs correctly understand that gender identity is subjective, but they make the mistake of thinking sex is objective. Because they’re committed to working off objective reality, they believe sex is more important than gender, and dismiss gender. Thus, all their transphobia. If they didn’t believe in reality, they wouldn’t be TERFs. They’d value the subjective construct of sex and the subjective construct of gender identity equally in terms of truth, and recognise that gender identity is important to our wellbeing. I wish people didn’t try to follow reality.
Have to get some shit done. I’ll read through later and respond.
You could just respond with an unrelated photo again, that would save time.
You sound very arrogant, quick to call others irrational and driven by emotion while having exactly zero self awareness and doing exactly zero self analysis.
You don’t actually have any interest in rationality or objectively, that would require you to confront your own biased and understand the reasoning of people you disagree with, you just use the mantra to license yourself to asset that the things you already emotionally believed are true and those that disagree can be dismissed and ignored.
You realized people have subjective perspectives and used that to go “wow, everyone who disagrees with me is insane and emotional! Their brains have fallen out!”
You are the very person you’re so condescendingly railing against, mate. Get the fucking log out of your eye and learn some humility.
You’re certainly not beating the accusation that you’re emotionally driven and arrogant. Just completely irrational response there.
Pretty sure it’s the rich and powerful who expect to become more rich and more powerful when there is war in the Middle East that bring about war in the Middle East.
Politicians,
If we spend a trillion of taxpayers money to kill brown civilians, it will funnel billions into the pockets of the worst scum on earth, and they will funnel that tax money that could have been used on healthcare, housing, education… straight into my pockets.
Politicians literally burning taxpayers and human lives in order to get a billionth of that cash.
imagine robbing a bank, by setting it on fire with people inside, only to walk away with 3$ and call it a success.
Oil makes war in the middle east.
War… War in the Middle East never changes.
“…it’s been burning since the world’s been turning…”
Sounds like men are the problem.
Counterpoint: Margaret Thatcher
That and times
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I mean have you met men? It’s starting to come together in my mind that because of the societal pressure to prevent us from expressing feelings in a healthy manner this is ALL a direct result of it.
I’m a man. Bring on the matriarchy! So long as the matriarchy isn’t a bunch of Thatchers!
Edit: oh, hey, cake!
Damn that’s even better.
