• Chris@lemmy.world
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    1 year ago

    I thought the 2024 election rigging was all wild speculation?

    I agree the pieces are there for it to happen but I didn’t see any actual evidence.

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      Yes and no. As others have stated, there isn’t a whole lot of evidence that any specific cheating was happening. But historically Republicans have always cheated and if there was a way to cheat they would cheat. They have been slowly putting people into positions that would allow them to affect the elections. They have been making laws to make it harder for people to vote that they don’t want voting.

      I think the more interesting question is if they did cheat, would it even matter?

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        It would change the narrative but it’s not like they would follow the courts of they said it was stolen and had to be redone or something

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          They wouldn’t redo the vote, Harris conceded, so it’s over.

          They could, however, prosecute everyone involved, and throw them in prison for a long time.

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      More and more evidence is coming to light. Even more will come out, eventually they’ll start getting connected together, and eventually names will be attached.

      Unfortunately, it won’t be the cowardly Dem leadership that will find this. People on the outside are going to have to uncover the facts and blow it up to the point that the Dems can’t ignore it.

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      I saw an analysis of results in deep-blue Arizona cities where there were quite a few people who voted for Trump…then Democrat down the rest of the ballot.

      It’s not hard evidence, but it’s suspicious. The problem the US has is that the winners are quite okay with winning at any cost and don’t see a problem, even if the win was stolen.

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    People’s minds are growing numb to the madness. This is very similar to what happened in Soviet Russia in the five years leading up to the collapse of the government.

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      The documentary, HyperNormalization, was made nearly a decade ago, in 2016.

      Just a fun tid bit I thought I’d share.

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        Yep. It’s been a while. Already contained Trump.

        If you (anybody) haven’t watched it yet, please do.

        BTW - and I don’t say this to nitpick, just to make it easier to find - the documentary is named Hypernormalisation.

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      It does seem rather similar to the collapse of Soviet Russia. Increasingly little confidence in the government by citizens all across the country. States that increasingly aren’t seeing any benefit in existing as part of the union. Its quite uncanny actually.

      There are differences of course bcz there isn’t as big of different ethnic groups concentrated throughout the country ready to start their own countries bcz they never wanted to be part of the country in the first place.

      I really dont want to find out whats on the other side of that scenario for us, but it doesn’t seem completely unlikely.

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        Some voted to destroy the United States. Others were failed by the educational system and the media. Irrespective of cause, there’s no going back. We’re now in a place where “fuck you I’ve got mine” and “make me” is the basis of our formal society that only recognizes power in all its forms. I do not know what the future holds. I can only say that if this year were a taro card, it’s Death, as what was changes into something new an unrecognizable.

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        I figure we’ll see smaller inter-state alliances forming into regional powers. Most likely all of the states that have larger populations will gain a lot of power relative to those with smaller populations. In all likelihood the stratification of wealth will accelerate even further into an absolutely obscene spectacle. The oligarchs will win, in the short term at least, if the federal government falls.

        • Montagge@lemmy.zip
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          California, Oregon, and Washington kinda do already. All three states often tie legislation to the other two states also passing it. Like locking daylight savings in place if Washington hadn’t dropped the ball.

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            Those are called interstate compacts, and they tend to be specific to individual laws. I was thinking more along the lines of military alliances, so kind of a more advanced form of this type of political alliance-making

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            dropped the ball

            Saved the ball you mean. Daylight-saving time is a curse which should be abolished not set in stone.

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              Spring/Summer/Autumn time should be made permanent; Winter time should be abolished. Stop stealing the only unallocated hour of winter daylight we get for ourselves.

              Buy Little Johnny a PT Belt and a flashlight for the three weeks a year he has to walk to school in the dark, and give him an hour after school to play outside with his friends.

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              At this point I’m down for either daylight time or standard time as long as we stop changing back and forth!

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        There are differences of course bcz there isn’t as big of different ethnic groups concentrated throughout the country ready to start their own countries bcz they never wanted to be part of the country in the first place.

        You sure? Black separatism was big in the 60s and 70s, and once the dissolution of the Union filters into the wider public consciousness, you’ll probably see Latinos want to do their own thing.

    • cub Gucci@lemmy.today
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      I know this narrative is wide spread, and I have no chance to fight it, but it’s not fucking not.

      USSR has collapsed because of a lot of factors, but the most important of them was that the political elite was willing to change (not to be mistaken with to go away). USSR had an infinite space for doubling down deeper and deeper

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      I experience the opposite, at least here on Lemmy. It all leads me to conserve my attention for the things that are actually happening.

      I mean sure, it’s still draining and hard to keep up with, but I think we all learned to filter out some of the nonsense, and see behind the clown show. Except for those who thrive on the outrage, and not actual concern.

  • nonentity@sh.itjust.works
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    The US hasn’t been a country anyone should treat seriously since 2024-11-05, and won’t be again until they can prove their ability to hold another legitimate election.

    It’s a coin flip as to whether I’ll see that within my lifetime right now.

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        so which elements in the list are you ok with ignoring? political assassination, corrupt elections, insane spending that isnt supported by budget/taxes?

        none of these impact your life?

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          Have you ever worked on a campaign before? Im not talking about phone banking for a few hours, I am actually asking if you have worked at a campaign for a stretch if time?

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            I have not, but I have considered it. My Dad worked the polls every year for decades, and he was really proud of that service.

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              Ask him how many people would need to work together in secrecy to pull off fixing a federal election. You’ll be surprised how unlikely it is.

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    Spread spread spread! Cowardly press will give the people what we want when they see us doing it first. Spread spread spread.

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    “Flood the zone with shit” is working as intended. It‘s chilling to see how quickly push comes to shove and we‘re in a world war once again.

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    The news around Donald changes faster than the weather in the mid-west. He’s done more or been involved in more in a few months than most presidents could accomplish in 2 full terms.

    Throwing a brick into a dryer is less chaotic.

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    mush used “a.i.” to rebrand himself as an autistic mother-loving manic-techboi whose father recounted, suddenly at the height of misdiagnosis crisis, he was called “retard” in grade school. and just like that, a white african repackaged himself using every grief he could mine from american grit and soul.

    he channeled the white negro and sold it back to american men after jeff bezos reduced their morale with the API Mandate (why anyone celebrated this draconian move, will remain a mystery of capitalism).

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      8% is honestly impressive. The Mexico / Texas border is 2000 km. If they actually built 160 km of wall that’s a real achievement.

      But, it shows how unrealistic the project is. 160,000 metres of wall is a massive undertaking. There aren’t many other human projects that involve building something that big. And it was only a tiny fraction of the distance they needed to cover. They would have left the hard parts for the end. The hard parts are both hard to construct and hard to legally acquire.

      Some sections of the wall would have been hard to construct because of the type of soil/rock, and because of how remote they are from everything. The costs there would probably have easily been 10x the costs to construct in easier places. Good thing Mexico was going to pay for the project… right?

      Then, there’s the issue of expropriating private land to build the wall. A lot of the land along the border is privately owned, and even when the owners are die-hard Texan republicans, they’re not want to give the government their land so the government can build a huge wall. The stuff that was easy legally would have been the first to get done. The stuff where they needed to claim eminent domain and defend lawsuits in court is another matter. The really tricky stuff would have have been put off as long as possible.

      So, it’s 8%, but it’s not the hard 8%, it’s the easiest 8% of what was frankly an impossible project.

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    🤔 is this accurate? I don’t even follow political stuff and I’ve heard about everything in that list. Seems like people have been talking about these things

    • Landless2029@lemmy.world
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      “People” meaning major news stations which are controlled by billionaires and are the only source of news for the boomer generation. This has lead to the brainwashing that allowed our current president to get into office.

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        It’s hardly better for the Facebook generation, or the Twitter generation, or the TikTok generation, or the Roblox generation. Everybody is living in their information silos in the US.

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    I already see way to much news from the USA while the war in Ukrain is a day driving away. We see almost nothing from that.