Do states even have a legal way to secede?
No. A full breakdown here https://youtu.be/1dhvry6E0jA
See: American civil war
No but there’s no law against expelling a state from the union. Kind of a reverse secession if you can piss trump off enough for him to actually do it (no law saying that only Congress can expel them, so it would go to the courts).
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.
The Constitution of the US of frickin A
The Constitution of the US of frickin A
That’s the Deceleration of Independence.
That’s the Preamble to the Declaration of Independence. And for as much as it is a foundational document of the US, it’s also not a legal document.
The preamble is part of the Constitution.
As to being a legal document, it’s not only a legal document (which the supreme Court uses as the final legal authority), but
The Constitution of the United States of America is the foundational legal document of the U.S. federal system.
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Constitution-of-the-United-States-of-America
The fact that I am being downloaded and you are being upvoted says something about why we’re having so much difficulty combating this administration’s excesses.
You are slightly wrong in every point.
The preamble to the Constitution is NOT the same as the preamble to the declaration of Independence. They were completely separate documents written more than a decade apart.
in fact:
The Declaration was rarely mentioned during the debates about the United States Constitution, and its language was not incorporated into that document.[44]: 92 George Mason’s draft of the Virginia Declaration of Rights was more influential, and its language was echoed in state constitutions and state bills of rights more often than Jefferson’s words.[44]: 90 [21]: 165–167 “In none of these documents”, wrote Pauline Maier, “is there any evidence whatsoever that the Declaration of Independence lived in men’s minds as a classic statement of American political principles.”[21]: 167
You have both corrected me well, I admit I was wrong. Sorry.
Didn’t have a way to legally secede from Britain
But this time there would be no ocean between the two sides.
Define “legal”.
Enshined in law, so that state can unilateraly decide to secede and federal govt must accept it.
Its part of why I moved out west. That and fear of persecution in the Midwest.
I want a great lake union that partners with portions of Canada to control the vast amounts of fresh water
Bring back the western reserve!
I’m cool wit dat
i want new england to join canada T_T
You will all be required to learn French
Small enough price to pay
the owl already got it’s hooks in me a long time ago.
plus my goal is always to move to montreal and have a queer indie bookstore :)
Same. Individual states seceding would get nowhere. New England as a whole? That could work lmao
yeah if we figure out a way to not starve
I don’t support it, only because my state wouldn’t be seperating to join the “good” side
Absolutely
- Sincerely, someone from the EU
Washingtonian here, I’ve been saying this should happen for like 8 years now lmao
The marriage isn’t working. Let it go.
We have had a name for it for awhile, my fellow Washingtonians call the Washington/Oregon/California union ‘Cascadia’. Wouldn’t be such a bad idea.
If you don’t take AZ and NV with you, you will get your Colorado River water cut off and lose a lot of farming power. That might even require UT. Unless it’s only Northern California included, in which case you still lose that agriculture, and possible land based trade lines to Mexico. It’s not a clean and pretty separation.
Fuck yeah! Cascadia! Let us stop funding this awful government and actually put our taxes towards improving people’s lives
It would have a hell of a lot of economic power, and natural resources.
Sounds like the kind of place the US would invade
Absolutely, and I’m about ready to start identifying as that over American 🫠.
I usually think of BC being part of it, too, cause we’re so similar culturally, and we hang out on each other’s side of the made up invisible line all the time.
One can dream!
As a US citizen and Oregon resident, absolutely.
But I don’t honestly foresee it being possible or happening.
My tinfoil hat says they’d try and probably succeed at triggering “The Big One”
The first step is refering to yourself as a member of your state and not an American I guess
I usually refer to myself as Cascadian
Sure? Balkanization seems like a good way to speed up the process of the Empire collapsing.
Balkan are the greatest thing ever.
plus there is the bonus of schadenfreunde, since they always want to balkanize countries that happen to stand in their path.
Coloradan. Only if a neighboring State does, because if not, we are neighboring other borders and we would be landlocked without food or water imports. Its either all Pacific and Front Range States agree we have to split, or none of us can.
Our most populous cities, Denver and CO Springs, are below the mountains, and are screwed in a combat scenario.
I don’t see Utah, Wyoming, Nevada, or Kansas doing so willingly.
New Mexico went Kamala. Border state.
In American balkanization I imagine yall would be a battleground of the literal variety. Colorado and new Mexico would want to join Pacifica and Nevada, Arizona, Wyoming, and Montana likely won’t. But also you’re valuable enough to justify putting up a stink for
Our water? It comes from dwindling snowpack due to climate change. I think you are overstating our pull here dude.
I think Colorado could force AZ to do what they want just by threatening to turn off the water.
No. We’d be overrun by federal troops and decimated within a week. If we could secede peacefully? We (Wisconsin) would probably need an alliance with Minnesota and Michigan to survive.
Californian. No.
It wouldn’t solve any problems that can’t be solved by other means, and it would create new problems that we haven’t had to worry about before. It’d be a net loss for everyone involved.
We’d have to spend a fortune on defense.
We’d suffer massive losses from being cut off from interstate trade agreements.
We’d have to deal with massive immigration issues.
We’d probably get our shit pushed in from all the federal military bases within the state.
I think it’s waaaay easier to just oust the current leadership and remove all the Congress members that aided and abetted.
