Note, I’m neither American, nor heavily in that scene. I’m merely signal boosting what I feel is important information countering lib propaganda.
Note, I’m neither American, nor heavily in that scene. I’m merely signal boosting what I feel is important information countering lib propaganda.
What intent would you infer from him concealing the weapon and hiding among the crowd?
He was just wrongly shot by a trigger-happy psycho who may be hunting him? If he wanted to shoot people he was well within range to do so. Why would he need to charge the crowd to do that? Why didn’t he shoot anyone after charging them? There is nothing to support the narrative that he was violent.
Wrongly shot? Are you saying it’s unreasonable to see a person come out of an alley with a long rifle they didn’t see before, and assume that person is about to do a mass shooting?
If so, why do you assume it’s unreasonable to think that? And would you still think it’s unreasonable to be worried about a mas shooting if you knew for sure the person was right-wing or MAGA?
I just gotta ask, what do those cops pay? I mean that “what” too because I know we both know cash has neg value. I can tell, you are part of something nefarious. Confess now or they gonna pull that trigger on you. Just Sayan’
When open carry is legal, yeah, it’s unreasonable (if you want to argue that allowing people to carry firearms is stupid I’d agree with you, but that was the situation here so the participants need to act appropriately). He wasn’t holding the rifle in a threatening manner or pointing it at the crowd. You can see this in the video. There was nothing to indicate he was about to shoot someone. If he was MAGA or not is irrelevant, carrying a rifle where carrying is legal is not implicitly a threat. There has to be more than that before you start shooting at someone.
After being shot at? “Oh fuck oh fuck oh fuck. Someone is trying to kill me. I gotta hide.”
I’ve considered getting a conceal carry license. My use of a gun, if something were to happen is to try and give me a chance to run away. I don’t want to stand my ground when bullets start flying. I don’t want to kill who is shooting. I just want to get to safety.
So you think concealing your weapon when police are looking for an active shooter is the smart thing to do? Instead of getting rid of the weapon, or even surrendering?
I’m trying to suspend my disbelief that you would do something so unbelievably stupid and ill advised for your own survival. Because somebody who does something like that is someone that doesn’t intend on surviving.
I don’t presume to know what he is thinking.
However, if I went to a protest where:
I may not know the “active shooter” was me, because I did not shoot a single round. I could consider putting my weapon away so the police, who have been known to shoot a “good guy with a gun” don’t mistake me for the active shooter.
OK, let’s give him the benefit of the doubt, and say that in the heat of the moment, with adrenaline pumping through his veins, his actions were reasonable to him.
Why don’t you think it’s reasonable for someone who doesn’t know him, and just sees a random guy coming towards the protest with a gun he didn’t have before, to not assume that person is planning something malicious? Is it not OK for another person, also in the heat of the moment, with adrenaline pumping through their veins, to make the decision to draw their weapon and attempt to stop what they might have seen as the start of a mass shooting?
If you don’t think it’s reasonable, then what is it that differentiates the two people that weighs your opinion against one and towards the other?
I’m not saying their action was unreasonable, I don’t know what they perceived. I just don’t agree with assuming malicious intent for either person.
But the decision to pull the trigger is always a heavy one and it needs to have critical examination as to what lead to it. That decision to pull the trigger lead to the death of a bystander, even if that wasn’t their intention.
It’s also always possible that both sides were wrong or that both sides were doing what they thought was right.
Yes, that’s my point, both sides were doing what they thought was right. But just because you think your actions are right, doesn’t mean that they were. And one of these people shouldn’t be excused for the missteps they took just because of their political affiliation. That’s no different than what MAGA does.
I made no mention of political affiliation.
I’m just not prescribing Arturo’s actions to that of a mass shooter, which I believe you’re comments did.