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Note, I’m neither American, nor heavily in that scene. I’m merely signal boosting what I feel is important information countering lib propaganda.

      • ComradeSharkfucker@lemmy.mlEnglish
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        10 days ago

        ??? All I see is him ducking and running after presumedly getting shot at. Who wouldn’t do that? Gonna wait for more evidence before I take such a hard stance like you have man sheesh.

        • borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          9 days ago

          Yeah he’s obviously lying, he’s saying things happened then providing video that completely counters what he said. It’s just low effort rage bait.

      • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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        10 days ago

        Thanks.

        I watched it several times in slow-mo. Seems to me like Arturo was walking towards the crowd before the peacekeeper fired, but he started running after the first shot in response to the shot. Looks like the barrel is down until shooting starts, at which point it goes up like 30° but still pointed at the ground. Video is quite blurry, from a distance, and doesn’t show the lead-up or aftermath of the shooting.

        Utah is an open-carry state and it doesn’t seem like he was doing anything other than walking towards the protest with a gun, which is legal and expected behavior in that state.

        But IMO Arturo is innocent until proven guilty, and if anything this is evidence that suggests his innocence.

        • Madison420@lemmy.world
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          10 days ago

          This is correct. That said if you open carry you do so knowing any slight move can result in you being seen as threatening. It’s a logical result of being armed and masked at a protest where a large part of the issue being protested is ice using unlawful force and authority while armed, masked and without any indicator that they are in fact police.

          It’s not victim blaming and it’s not shooter advocating it’s just saying this was both wildly foreseeable and incredibly unnecessary.

        • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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          10 days ago

          It’s perfectly legal behavior to open carry at a protest. But walking behind a wall and pulling out a gun? That’s definitely not expected behavior. You can’t tell me you would expect that at a protest.

          It’s also not legal or expected behavior to hide your weapon after you are involved in a shooting and try to blend in with a crowd. That’s not legal anywhere in the US.

          • idiomaddict@lemmy.world
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            10 days ago

            Concealed carry is legal in SLC. If you’re carrying a concealed weapon at a peaceful protest and you realize that the “peacekeepers” are armed, you might want to be obviously also armed to deter escalation (as we’ve seen advised on lemmy a bunch lately). However, pulling a weapon out of your bag in the middle of a crowd is almost certainly going to scare someone, so it’s probably best to go off to the side, unpack it out of sight, and rejoin the group afterwards.

            I’m not a gun owner, but this seems like a totally reasonable course of action to me. Am I missing something?

            • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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              10 days ago

              However, pulling a weapon out of your bag in the middle of a crowd is almost certainly going to scare someone

              Making it reasonable to shoot someone who does this. That’s literally self defense, even if they fucked it up and shot someone else.

                • _cryptagion [he/him]@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
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                  10 days ago

                  Those were your words, not mine. In fact, I think it’s much more suspicious to hide and then pull out the weapon than it is to do it surrounded by people.

                  • idiomaddict@lemmy.world
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                    10 days ago

                    I was saying that it’s reasonable to go behind the wall, because doing it in the middle of a crowd could scare someone. Why do you think it’s more suspicious to hide? It’s a pretty big gun, I imagine the process of removing it from his bag would either take serious gymnastics or involve the gun at some point having up to a 30 degree angle from the ground.

          • PM_ME_VINTAGE_30S [he/him]@lemmy.sdf.orgEnglish
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            10 days ago

            But walking behind a wall and pulling out a gun? That’s definitely not expected behavior. You can’t tell me you would expect that at a protest.

            ?? I didn’t see that? Is that what the cops said? Did anyone else say that?

            It’s also not legal or expected behavior to hide your weapon after you are involved in a shooting and try to blend in with a crowd.

            Again where does this come from? Would be suspicious if verifiable.