specifically on Gaza, I’m not convinced Trump is worse than Biden II would have been.
Trump (and the RNC in general) have been exploiting American Jews as a pawn in their efforts to destroy academic institutions and purge leftist intellectuals, the way Democrats exploited trans people (until we stopped being politically convenient, then they folded like a house of cards, and predictably abandoned us.) that’s horrible, of course, and the narrative of Gaza is tied up in it, but it’s not actually focused on Gaza - the effects are domestic.
aside from Trump’s inflammatory bluster on Gaza (building casinos and beachfront resorts for billionaires), what has he actually done? he’s negotiated with Hamas directly, and cut Netenyahu out of the loop. Trump has a huge ego, and he doesn’t play well with other world leaders with huge egos, like Netenyahu (or recently, Musk.) so when Netenyahu tried to push him around he told him to pound sand. and - for better or worse - with “America First” foreign policy, it’s increasingly hard to justify giving Israel billions of dollars to prosecute their genocide. I think Biden would have 100% been a pushover.
meanwhile, they wouldn’t even address Gaza during the DNC convention. they were initially going to have a Palestinian-American person speak, but decided “nah” and cut them at the last minute. the DNC smugly decided that us minorities were “in the bag,” and told us shut up, while they pandered to the Neocons. now they’ve lost, and the DNC is toast, and if we ever get a shot at democracy again, whatever rises from the DNC’s ashes will have to actually be Progressive.
And yet, Israel is bulldozing Gaza into the sea. Everyone with half a brain knew that Trump was a pathological lying malignant narcissist who licks the boots of fascist strongmen. He isn’t going to restrain Netanyahu, he’s going to get on his knees and kick his boots while telling Americans that he’s negotiating an end to the war. Remember how he ended to Russian aggression towards Ukraine within 24 hours?
Kinda a fucked up thing to say regarding a genocide you supported and which the majority of people you were targeting (as well as myself) voted against.
Congratulations! You helped to elect a serial rapist, pathological liar, lifelong conman who made it very clear that he was going to allow Netanyahu to ethnically cleanse Gaza so he could build a golf course. Will done! You must be very proud!
I didn’t say that they voted for Trump. I said that they helped to elect him. That’s different but it had exactly the same result. Trump will never, ever, do anything to help the Palestinians. They are going to be wiped of the face of the earth and Gaza paved over to make a Trump resort. Congratulations!
I didn’t say that they voted for Trump. I said that they helped to elect him.
Which is also a lie, because the only way to “help elect someone” is to vote for them or tell others to vote for them.
Trump will never, ever, do anything to help the Palestinians. They are going to be wiped of the face of the earth and Gaza paved over to make a Trump resort. Congratulations!
Harris would also never, ever do anything to help the Palestinians and would attempt to wipe them off the face of the earth. I’m not sure why you’re congratulating me when I voted against this result and this is the same result you wanted. I should be saying it to you. The duopoly won, just like you wanted, and the bipartisan consensus of completely unrestrained genocide and extermination from the Biden admin will continue unimpeded. Congratulations!
That’s self-soothing nonsense. The only person who had any chance to keto the serial rapist, pathological liar, lifelong conman, fascist bootlicking, wannabe dictator or if the presidency was Harris. Voting for anyone else helped Trump to get elected.
They were getting ethnic cleansing no matter who they voted for. Your candidate was Genocide Joe Biden.
The difference here is that the Democrats insulted them, but of course, you all have learned absolutely nothing from this, and it’s shows some serious cognitive dissonance that you’re ignoring how hard their community worked through established channels to try and change Democratic policy before doing so.
You are a hundred percent correct and history will condemn all these gleefully bloodthirsty shitlibs and their callous racist insistence that a small minority both gave us Trump and deserves to be punished for it
What exactly is the lesson? “You can get us to vote for more of the evil you support if you make us mad enough”? The Overton window is a flat circle?
I really really don’t understand why “if you won’t stop our extermination then we’ll fucking directly vote for it” teaches the DNC any lesson at all except “we can be guilt free collaborators and reap all the benefits”
The lesson is you don’t get to punch people in the face and then complain that you broke your hand.
Also, I think the people on this thread would do well to actually go insult an Arab person to their face and maybe learn a little about their culture while you’re at it.
You’re speculating, but what we know definitively is that there wouldn’t have been a ceasefire if Biden or Harris had been elected. We know this because the only response they ever gave Netanyahu was ‘Yes, Daddy.’ whenever he asked for anything whatsoever.
You’re speculating, too. We don’t know that definitively. They were in an election cycle. Harris may very well have been better for the Gazans of she had been elected.
But, keep self-soothing if it makes you feel better.
My point is based on Joe’s record and Harris’ public confirmation that she wouldn’t do anything different. Also, don’t forget that Palestinians were shut out of the DNC as well.
Which part wouldn’t have happened, the bulldozing or the casino? Because the bulldozing was already happening and whether they build a casino over the rubble compared to something else doesn’t matter whatsoever.
This is the perfect encapsulation of liberal “morality,” and why any attempt to finger-waggle or take the moral high ground by you is utterly laughable. The thing that determines whether mass murder is acceptable or not is the attitude of the murderers. Act ashamed and embarrassed and apologize while you repeatedly stab someone to death, and it’s perfectly fine. But laugh manically while you’re doing it, and it’s somehow way worse - even though the only actual difference is aesthetics. It’s literally that line from The Dark Knight about “nobody panics as long as there’s a plan, even if the plan is horrible” - liberals don’t actually want to stop bad things, they just want them beurocratized and sanitized.
If anything, aesthetically, Trump’s mask off attitude is arguably preferable in that it is less defensible, more likely to turn people against him and against Israel by proxy. The Democrats are much better at propaganda, while doing the exact same thing. Suppose you’re in a building with a bunch of people, as well as one person who’s trying to kill you. Would you rather the assassin act calmly and like a regular person, causing everyone to ignore them while they corner you, or would you rather them scream, “I’m gonna kill you and piss on your grave!” in which case people might actually do something to stop him?
But I’d rather not have a killer in there at all, which is how I voted. Unfortunately, society is filled with people like you.
That’s the the weird thing about a Trump presidency.
Sometimes good things happen for the wrong reasons, which is oddly preferable (at least on this issue) to a Biden presidency, which was 100% genocidal for no good reason. It’s strange living in a world where we’re more likely to get a ceasefire in Gaza because Donald wants to personally profit off of it whereas the Democrats just seem to really, really enjoy feeding weapons to an apartheid.
It’s funny we live in a world where people like you waste so much of their time on the internet arguing a lost cause. Mostly because everyone outside the bubble of bullshit you’re addicted to being a part of isn’t so gullible. Honestly, amd I mean this sincerely. You are dillusional.
It is objectively pointless to have a conversation with you, as the outcome is always decided for you before you even type.
Your comments and every one like them are just the same bullshit white noise being perpetuated by people addicted to their lizard brains chemical reactions to the fear, anger, and hate they’ve buried themselves in.
You’re a literal junkie high on hate, and any conversation with you is pointless because you aren’t even a part of it.
It’s important to argue these points here, because as you can see, many people have managed to gaslight themselves into believing in their own moral superiority.
When really, they spent the last four years enthusiastically ignoring a genocide aided and abetted by Joe Biden and it makes perfect sense that so many Muslims decided not to vote Democrat in 2024.
You punished the Democrats and got wholesale ethnic cleansing in Gaza and a wide ranging muslim ban. Congratulations. You really showed them.
Two things are true at once:
Yes.
(for the record, I voted for Harris. obviously.)
specifically on Gaza, I’m not convinced Trump is worse than Biden II would have been.
Trump (and the RNC in general) have been exploiting American Jews as a pawn in their efforts to destroy academic institutions and purge leftist intellectuals, the way Democrats exploited trans people (until we stopped being politically convenient, then they folded like a house of cards, and predictably abandoned us.) that’s horrible, of course, and the narrative of Gaza is tied up in it, but it’s not actually focused on Gaza - the effects are domestic.
aside from Trump’s inflammatory bluster on Gaza (building casinos and beachfront resorts for billionaires), what has he actually done? he’s negotiated with Hamas directly, and cut Netenyahu out of the loop. Trump has a huge ego, and he doesn’t play well with other world leaders with huge egos, like Netenyahu (or recently, Musk.) so when Netenyahu tried to push him around he told him to pound sand. and - for better or worse - with “America First” foreign policy, it’s increasingly hard to justify giving Israel billions of dollars to prosecute their genocide. I think Biden would have 100% been a pushover.
meanwhile, they wouldn’t even address Gaza during the DNC convention. they were initially going to have a Palestinian-American person speak, but decided “nah” and cut them at the last minute. the DNC smugly decided that us minorities were “in the bag,” and told us shut up, while they pandered to the Neocons. now they’ve lost, and the DNC is toast, and if we ever get a shot at democracy again, whatever rises from the DNC’s ashes will have to actually be Progressive.
And yet, Israel is bulldozing Gaza into the sea. Everyone with half a brain knew that Trump was a pathological lying malignant narcissist who licks the boots of fascist strongmen. He isn’t going to restrain Netanyahu, he’s going to get on his knees and kick his boots while telling Americans that he’s negotiating an end to the war. Remember how he ended to Russian aggression towards Ukraine within 24 hours?
You can’t “get” something you already had.
Like I said, “Congratulations!”
Kinda a fucked up thing to say regarding a genocide you supported and which the majority of people you were targeting (as well as myself) voted against.
“Congratulations!”
Congratulations! You helped to elect a serial rapist, pathological liar, lifelong conman who made it very clear that he was going to allow Netanyahu to ethnically cleanse Gaza so he could build a golf course. Will done! You must be very proud!
I’m not American.
Huh? No, I/they voted against Harris and Trump, not for them. You seem to have gotten it backwards.
Which is why I said “supported” and not “voted for.”
I didn’t say that they voted for Trump. I said that they helped to elect him. That’s different but it had exactly the same result. Trump will never, ever, do anything to help the Palestinians. They are going to be wiped of the face of the earth and Gaza paved over to make a Trump resort. Congratulations!
Which is also a lie, because the only way to “help elect someone” is to vote for them or tell others to vote for them.
Harris would also never, ever do anything to help the Palestinians and would attempt to wipe them off the face of the earth. I’m not sure why you’re congratulating me when I voted against this result and this is the same result you wanted. I should be saying it to you. The duopoly won, just like you wanted, and the bipartisan consensus of completely unrestrained genocide and extermination from the Biden admin will continue unimpeded. Congratulations!
That’s self-soothing nonsense. The only person who had any chance to keto the serial rapist, pathological liar, lifelong conman, fascist bootlicking, wannabe dictator or if the presidency was Harris. Voting for anyone else helped Trump to get elected.
Yeah, it’s totally definitely the same as before.
BTW, did you see that cool gold pager trump got?
Dipshit.
They were getting ethnic cleansing no matter who they voted for. Your candidate was Genocide Joe Biden.
The difference here is that the Democrats insulted them, but of course, you all have learned absolutely nothing from this, and it’s shows some serious cognitive dissonance that you’re ignoring how hard their community worked through established channels to try and change Democratic policy before doing so.
You are a hundred percent correct and history will condemn all these gleefully bloodthirsty shitlibs and their callous racist insistence that a small minority both gave us Trump and deserves to be punished for it
What exactly is the lesson? “You can get us to vote for more of the evil you support if you make us mad enough”? The Overton window is a flat circle?
I really really don’t understand why “if you won’t stop our extermination then we’ll fucking directly vote for it” teaches the DNC any lesson at all except “we can be guilt free collaborators and reap all the benefits”
No, because they didn’t, because the post is misinformation.
The lesson is you don’t get to punch people in the face and then complain that you broke your hand.
Also, I think the people on this thread would do well to actually go insult an Arab person to their face and maybe learn a little about their culture while you’re at it.
Like I said, “Congratulations!”
Thank you.
It’s nice to see at least a few ceasefires occur that you and I know would not have materialized under Genocide Joe or Kamala Harris.
Yes. Netanyahu wanted to get some time to rest his soldiers and rearm. Trump obliged.
Maybe, maybe not.
You’re speculating, but what we know definitively is that there wouldn’t have been a ceasefire if Biden or Harris had been elected. We know this because the only response they ever gave Netanyahu was ‘Yes, Daddy.’ whenever he asked for anything whatsoever.
You’re speculating, too. We don’t know that definitively. They were in an election cycle. Harris may very well have been better for the Gazans of she had been elected.
But, keep self-soothing if it makes you feel better.
No, I’m not.
My point is based on Joe’s record and Harris’ public confirmation that she wouldn’t do anything different. Also, don’t forget that Palestinians were shut out of the DNC as well.
Pretty solid stuff.
Well good job on the win I guess?
Good job, indeed.
They’ve gotten a couple of ceasefires that would definitely not have happened under a Biden or Harris presidency.
Don’t forget about the casino Trump wants to build there after bulldozong it! That certainly wouldn’t have happened under a Biden presidency either.
Which part wouldn’t have happened, the bulldozing or the casino? Because the bulldozing was already happening and whether they build a casino over the rubble compared to something else doesn’t matter whatsoever.
Pretty sure you’d care if I built a casino on the mass grave your mother was buried in after I publicly helped dig it.
But hey, she’ll be dead no matter what, so you don’t care right?
I mean, honestly, why are you even trying to use a moral compass when you clearly don’t have one to begin with.
This is the perfect encapsulation of liberal “morality,” and why any attempt to finger-waggle or take the moral high ground by you is utterly laughable. The thing that determines whether mass murder is acceptable or not is the attitude of the murderers. Act ashamed and embarrassed and apologize while you repeatedly stab someone to death, and it’s perfectly fine. But laugh manically while you’re doing it, and it’s somehow way worse - even though the only actual difference is aesthetics. It’s literally that line from The Dark Knight about “nobody panics as long as there’s a plan, even if the plan is horrible” - liberals don’t actually want to stop bad things, they just want them beurocratized and sanitized.
If anything, aesthetically, Trump’s mask off attitude is arguably preferable in that it is less defensible, more likely to turn people against him and against Israel by proxy. The Democrats are much better at propaganda, while doing the exact same thing. Suppose you’re in a building with a bunch of people, as well as one person who’s trying to kill you. Would you rather the assassin act calmly and like a regular person, causing everyone to ignore them while they corner you, or would you rather them scream, “I’m gonna kill you and piss on your grave!” in which case people might actually do something to stop him?
But I’d rather not have a killer in there at all, which is how I voted. Unfortunately, society is filled with people like you.
That’s the the weird thing about a Trump presidency.
Sometimes good things happen for the wrong reasons, which is oddly preferable (at least on this issue) to a Biden presidency, which was 100% genocidal for no good reason. It’s strange living in a world where we’re more likely to get a ceasefire in Gaza because Donald wants to personally profit off of it whereas the Democrats just seem to really, really enjoy feeding weapons to an apartheid.
It’s funny we live in a world where people like you waste so much of their time on the internet arguing a lost cause. Mostly because everyone outside the bubble of bullshit you’re addicted to being a part of isn’t so gullible. Honestly, amd I mean this sincerely. You are dillusional.
It is objectively pointless to have a conversation with you, as the outcome is always decided for you before you even type.
Your comments and every one like them are just the same bullshit white noise being perpetuated by people addicted to their lizard brains chemical reactions to the fear, anger, and hate they’ve buried themselves in.
You’re a literal junkie high on hate, and any conversation with you is pointless because you aren’t even a part of it.
Not at all, friend.
It’s important to argue these points here, because as you can see, many people have managed to gaslight themselves into believing in their own moral superiority.
When really, they spent the last four years enthusiastically ignoring a genocide aided and abetted by Joe Biden and it makes perfect sense that so many Muslims decided not to vote Democrat in 2024.