This is so true. I remember hearing about the two Israeli officials who were shot and I was stuck thinking: " was this motivated out of antisemitism and he just happened to hit legitimate targets instead of some innocent folks, or was the guy actually acting out of rage and sadness for what he’s seen in Gaza?". Nowadays it seems like you can’t even tell immediately - like you’ve gotta wait for more info. It was a relief to find out that everyone who knew the shooter agreed that he was not antisemitic, and chose to platform justice for Gaza when asked about the shooter.
hi spujb did u know the jews invented hash browns https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latke
yes! shoutout jewish ppl
Antisemitism will truly be defeated when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution, not when they’ve carved out their own ethnostate.
Unfortunately, I feel like these times call for explicit clarification in what should be obvious.
“…when Jews can live anywhere in the world without fear of persecution… for being Jewish” (but like everyone else can be held accountable as individuals for crimes including war crimes; that being Jewish doesn’t turn prosecution into persecution)
Valid distinction thanks to Israel.
The fact that this needs clarification is evidence that we do not deserve a future as a species.
JFC are we fucking idiots that this needs to be spelled the fuck out.
What about all the Jewish people in Israel and around the world actively contributing to, relishing in, and celebrating what’s happening? Can we talk about them?
What about all the non-Jewish people in Israel and around the world actively contribution to, relishing in, and celebrating what’s happening? Can we talk about them?
What about all the Jewish people in Israel and around the world actively protesting against, writing against, and decrying what’s happening? Can we talk about them?
There’s idiots and great people in all ethnicities, and not understanding that fact is being incredibly simple-minded.
Kind of reminds me of the brainwashing the media instituted about how covid was somehow a China thing and shortly after, people were attacking Asians because somehow or rather if you’re Asian, suddenly covid was all your fault. It was also just another excuse for racists to act out. Humans really are just that dumb.
I wouldn’t say israeli leaders are antisemitic, but they accuse their critics of antisemitism to pursue their authoritarian and colonial agenda with impunity.
Repeat after me, antizionism is not antisemitism
Yes, but I’m also anti-religion. So does that by extension also make me an antisemite?
This gets into a WHOLE problem. Jew refers to the religion, and the ethnic group. They often take the benefits of both, and people will switch which definition they are using actively during a conversation.
I can say I hate Christianity because membership is a choice. I cannot say I hate black folks, or gay folks.
Antisemitism is a hating of Jews. That’s not ok.
As OP implies, it’s better to say you hate Zionism. It’s a more specific belief that someone chooses.
That is exactly why these groups CHANGING THE DEFINITION of antisemitism to include anti Zionism is alarming and overtly evil. They’ve learned the protections of having the word Jew refer to both, and are now trying to bind Zionism in there too!
Only because you chose the nuance must you die by it
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I don’t advocate adventurism, but important to note that violence against jews is different than violence against Israeli state actors.
Just in case this meme is referencing the recent shooting of two Israeli Embassy workers. Again, I don’t advocate adventurism, but it’s important to recognize a distinction between violence directed at an ethnic group and violence directed at government officials.
other violence than those two victims going on unfortunately. both preceding and since, and civilians.
Like the time that Israeli shot those 2 Israelis in the US.
or those poor people who got attacked with a flamethrower literally today (this is breaking news btw im not fully caught up so apologies for any error)
Unless there was a different incident, i’m pretty sure the one you’re talking about was a molotov cocktail, not a flamethrower.
I don’t care anymore, antisemitic, antiarab, nothing in that part of the world is of any concern to me now.
that’s awesome. do us all a favor and block this community then so we never have to get those two cents again.
Semites aren’t a religion, it refers to people from the Middle East regardless of religion
How did we stop Nazis in the past? Was it… kindness? Memes? Or violence?
I’m not sure what’s that you’re trying to say OP.
Violence against the IDF is very different from violence against Rabbi Moe down the street. Maybe Rabbi Moe is a rabid zionist, maybe when he’s done with shabbat he spends Sundays protesting against Israel. Violence against him as a jew is antisemitism and unacceptable, while violence against him as a supporter of the idf would just be bad optics.
Was it fighting random germans, or fighting the actual nazis? I’m not sure what you’re trying to say.
There was literally no random Germans.
If you read memoirs from that time, or survivors letters, they always talk about Nazis being the milkman, the cobbler, the shopkeeper, the neighbour, and not Gebels or Hitler.
People using the term anti semitic often fail to realize that the semitic people and culture not only contains Jews, but also levantine Arabs.
More importantly, it’s used inappropriately when talking about violence towards/hatred of the vaaaaaaaast majority of Israelis because they’re Europeans…
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Are you alright? You can definitely say they’re African (or anything more precise like “West African” or “from the Horn of Africa”) by ethnicity, they’re just American by nationality. What else would you say? The white folks in America are European by ethnicity (mostly Germanic) and American by nationality, and their nationality didn’t just randomly turn them Native American, lol. Hopefully you were just being silly and not willfully spreading confusion…
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No, friend. I meant: these European folks may or may not be “real Jews”, but they were never Semitic.
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The people that should be hearing this won’t accept it as truth. They actively deny the Eastern European heritage of ashkenazi Jews.
however, the name Semitic is a nazi invention that was originally directed towards Jews. part of their scientific racism.
it’s kind of meaningless.
like Dwight claiming an Indian coworkers is Caucasian because he claims her people came from the Caucasus.
but yhea, if we step out of semantics, fuck Israel for this genocide and using the Jewish diaspora as shields.
^^^Yes, more people need to know about this because it’s a meaningless “gotcha”
however, I’ll prefer if we included all Semitic people in the term.
because in a way, they are all related people.
Palestinians are ancestors of the ancient Canaanites just like jews are (if we ignore a lot of mixing with other genepools).
No, the only solution clearly is to light up the gas chambers again.
/s
Another truth that must be addressed is that most Jewish people either actively or passively support the genocide of Palestinians. Therefore we need people like me within Judaism to call it out and people outside of Judaism to agree it’s a problem.
most Jewish people
Whether or not that’s true, I don’t think it’s the sort of claim that should be made without supporting evidence. Bear in mind that the Zionist lobby is powerful, vocal and ruthless, many people may be afraid to speak out against it. If a group can be made to feel like they are the minority, it can seem as if they really are.
I dont think there are any trustworthy statistics so ill be honest, I mostly went off my personal experience as a Jewish person and having interacted with my community extensively
I mean it is a true statistic.
https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2024/05/30/israeli-views-of-the-israel-hamas-war/
Support for the IDF among American and Israeli Jewish people alone accounts for more than half of the worldwide Jewish population. It’s not antisemitic to point out that most Jewish people worldwide support the genocide.
What is antisemitic is to dislike Jewish people in general because of it.
Just to clearify, I am Jewish. When I point out that most Jews are Zionist im making my frustration about my people clear.
This certainly appear to be true.
My government, and Israel, have made it clear that my opposition to the genocide in Gaza makes me a antisemite. I have maybe only once read of a Jewish person or group opposing this view.
So be it, I know which side of history I want to tell my young nieces and nephews I was on, so I have no problem whatsoever with any of legal issues this might cause me.
Of course, the price for Israel (and silent Jewish people) making the judgement that I and most socially liberal people are antisemites, is Jewish people are on their own, other than the far right/nazi aligned groups who support their actions in Gaza.
Code Pink, Jewish voice for peace, Norman Finkelstein, Gabor Maté, Ilan Pappé, Noam Chomsky, Judith Butler. These are some of the Jewish folks opposing settler colonial Zionism. There is a strong Jewish tradition of being on the right side of history. Sure, Judaism is not a monolith, and sure, maybe (and this is a really big fat maybe, and I’d love to see actual data either supporting or refuting this, which is conspicuously absent from this discussion) the majority of Jews support Israel’s actions, but there is a sizable portion of Jews worldwide that oppose settler colonialism, and and even larger portion that opposes the ongoing genocide.
Better watch out. Lemmy will ban you for saying a majority of the Jewish population. Support a genocide because they are blood thirsty. Just be careful. Zionists control the subs and site.
“Lemmy” doesn’t ban people, but certain instances might.
aka, if I get banned from Lemmy.world, I am not banned from Lemmy, just from lemmy.world.
You’re thinking of Reddit, I was banned for saying “Israel murders children” on three accounts, after the third they had enough of my non genocidal talks and perm banned me.
My first lemmy acct was banned yesterday for saying just this. I was on Lemmy.Futurology. Glad I made a back up on Lemmy.World.
I a man with genetics of Jewish heritage. From what the 23andMe said. Was called a Nazi because I used Jewish instead of Zionist when saying. Zionists are blood thirsty. I learned my lesson. Just blame the Zionists. Because you can’t hold entire groups responsible. Even though a vast majority of them support this genocide. And I have met Americans who had signed up with the IDF to fight in this genocide. It’s all a cycle of violence that no one is willing to end.
??? yeah yikes wow definitely don’t say that that’s so bad bro
The mods and admins here arent zionists, they’re zionist sympathizers and genocide apologists
Ok fed
Conspiracy much?
i poked through their recent comments and a lot of them are like this. i find it suspicious that they commit the cardinal mistake of saying “lemmy” rather than “.world” or something.
zero trust in this kind of posting lol. these are serious accusations and should be leveled seriously, not a bazillion times responding to rando comments.
A recent account at that. Possibly part of the last Reddit wave, not yet aware of the cultural differences here.
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Fuck Israel, genocidal scum!
