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davel@lemmy.ml to Videos@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 month ago

The China They Don't Want You to See: Xinjiang

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The China They Don't Want You to See: Xinjiang

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davel@lemmy.ml to Videos@lemmy.mlEnglish · 1 month ago
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  • Rod_Blagojevic [none/use name]@hexbear.net
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    What do you propose as the proper way for China to deal with violent religious reactionaries? Maybe they should’ve focused more energy on a decades long occupation of Afghanistan that accomplished literally nothing except a vast amount of grifting.

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      The decades-long occupation pretty much never works and just engenders more revolution, so I wouldn’t recommend that route.

      also, the “violent religious reactionaries” is a bit of a leap from the sheer volume of detainees.

      I think the violent ones should be dealt with much differently than the non-violent activists, but they are apparently treated the same.

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        The sheer volume being how many?

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          absolute minimum is around half a million detainee in total (ccp numbers until 2019), and most outside estimates place the number closer to 1-2 million uyghur detainees.

          Bear in mind that this is not some static equation, mass detainment started almost 10 years ago at this point and has been occurring for a decade. with detainment ongoing and the CCP long having stopped sharing specific information, it’s going to be hard to get specific numbers past 2019(the half a million number) for years to come.

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            ccp numbers until 2019

            You keep dropping numbers like this without sourcing them.

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              you’ll have to look through the other comments for the sources, I’ve had to drop that same source like four times now.

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            And where did you get those numbers?

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              The xinjiang high people’s protectorate

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                Source that the xinjiang high people’s protectorate made all of those claims?

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                  they are the source.

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                    Then provide it

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                Source that that’s even a thing that exists?

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                  https://web.archive.org/web/20240409125822/http://www.xj.jcy.gov.cn/jwgk/gzbg/

                  it’s in Chinese.

                  every province in China has a local government, so this is the local government of xinjiang.

                  it’s very similar to having a state government in the US.

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                    Lmao so you lied by implying this was a separate government when it’s a branch of the CPC? Sooo…are they brave truth tellers or lying chinese communists?

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                    Where did you find your link?

                    Also I don’t see anything on that link suggesting what you’re claiming.

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        The decades-long occupatio

        Wdym occupation. Xinjiang (formerly Xiyu) has been incorporated territory of the PRC since its foundation, and part of China since (conservatively) the Tang dynasty.

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          that commenter was referencing Afghanistan, not xinjiang.

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            I see, thanks for clarification

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        Ok, so the violent religious reactionaries needed to be dealt with, but with a more nuanced approach. What should it be? What would be faster and gentler, but also effective?

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        The sheer volume being how many?

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