It seems like a category error to compare email to Discord or Slack. The latter two are distinct companies and not protocols.
You’re right in theory, but in practice the point is that email survives because it’s not a closed, proprietary protocol.
Unfortunately I don’t think the issue is quite so simple. We used to have open chat protocols that were slowly strangled by big tech until only their solutions remained.
I think the biggest problem is simply user apathy, if users cared more we wouldn’t have the whole US green/blue bubble problem
We kind of still have IRC.
Irc is still great. I feel there is more tech channels then social channels nowadays tho.
Only tech people know about irc I suppose.
Because it’s not as user friendly, but it could be. Things like KiwIRC or IRCcloud make it easier, but it could be more socially focused. Fuck if I had money I’d do so many things just for the fuck of it.
I work in B2B IT support, and email is designed to be very async, and for the most part it still is. What I can say with certainty is that business folks expect email to be instant like synchronous platforms are… It’s not, it never will be… It’s gotten about as close as it can be, but it is not, and will never be, instant delivery, no matter how much they want it to be.
check out deltachat! it’s still email, yea, but it feels instantaneous
No thanks. I want email to be email. If I want to chat, I’ll use another application and protocol.
IRC and forums as well to a lesser extent.
Much much lesser. IRC has basically died to successors. Everybody still uses email sometimes.
Forums are still banging around however. Lots of places still use them, and thank god for that.
Not so much though.
There was a moment when forums were the only kind of community but now forum use is dwarved by discord and reddit.
Everyone has to provide an email to make an account somewhere, if they don’t do the whole integration with Google/Facebook/etc
IRC is still a pretty strong backbone for Twitch chat. At least it was a couple of years ago.
IRC is mainly a thing for hardcore 2000s re-livers and lobste.rs users nowadays lol
The old internet was a crucible for robust software. Slow, small, unreliable, the very protocols that send data over the wire and through the air had to build in all kinds of fail-safe features to even approach usefulness. From this we got things like email (POP & SMTP), internet relay chat (IRC), and the world-wide web (HTTP). Things used to be so bad, that these technologies endure as extremely over-built in the modern era. And if things get worse, it will keep working as it always has. They’ll probably stick with us because of that.
Reality is everyone has an email, and everyone will keep having an email. My 10 year old has an email so they could sign up to epic and steam. You basically need it to use the internet at all. So of course it will survive.
Outside of business though, when was the last time you sent an email to someone you know?
Work Accountant Lawyer Contractor Community org
Yeah basically just for transactions, management
My mother uses email for nearly everything. I’m 31 now, but in high school she’d email me from the basement that dinner is ready.
Just last month I received this… we chat on WhatsApp and phone calls regularly as well.
That’s cute. She treats it like writing letters or maybe postcards given the length of the message.
My ex emailed me from a new account when he thought I’d blocked him everywhere else. I hadn’t, but I did after that!
I forwarded tickets to my wife. But for “normal” communication I emailed the city about a citation they gave me for my yard.
Also Usenet. Still around after decades. As long as people are hosting news servers, it will stay. The original decentralized protocol.
E-mail barely hanging on between spam, broken HTML and an oligopoly of providers.
Yeah email is one thing I don’t bother to run on my own server, because all the oligopoly providers mark unknown servers as spam by default, so you can’t send emails to anyone anyway…
Sidenote: Remember when having an email address was enough, you didn’t have to have a fucking phone number as well? Stop trying to de-anonymize the internet, you’re making more problems than you’re solving
They’re not trying to solve any problem beyond their own, potential resistance to false authority.
or at least fill out the online forms for us
why put it on my web browser since they have us all pretty pretty pretty pegged my friend
deltachat is awesome
Something could replace it easily if they tried to use the open standards and decentralized system like email has. But tech companies have gone too greedy, they won’t make anything that works with other tech companies. Every one of them are trying to pull users to themselves. Now we have people with account in 5 different websites to communicate with different people instead.
It is sad how far the technology has come. It’d allow so much improvements in quality of life and yet it’ll all being used to extract more money, making life shittier.
Hahahaha, good one!
Remember when Steve Jobs said FaceTime was going to be an open protocol? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
My emails are just: bullshit, crap, order confirmations as most stuff is bought online and boatloads of phishing.
My emails are: correspondence, article follow-ups, LAN party planning, and of course the occasional Luis Vuitton handbag offer (quite reasonably priced, actually).
I do have the kind of transactional message slop you describe, but I have a seperate email address for those.
If by something else email will out live I agree
It’s why SMS still exists too. It’s from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money. Big tech conglomerates like we have now didn’t exist. The state of the tech industry and it’s proprietary standards is absolutely fucked.
Google is trying to kill SMS. My new android by default has sms disabled, defaulting to RCS with “try sending sms instead if rcs fails to send” option being off by default, which makes no sense from user perspective
which makes no sense from user perspective
I’d say it does have some merit from a security perspective though.
I agree it should be something that’s at least more clear for users to enable/disable on setup, but I personally don’t think having it enabled by default is ideal, considering how insecure SMS is.
…but I can literally send infected files thru RCS to my grandma.
True, as is the case with almost any messaging service. But the benefits of RCS do include:
- Not having a government/telecom company be capable of snooping on your messages
- Branded messages that clearly distinguish real companies from fake ones, which can prevent an untold number of scams as it becomes more commonplace
- Uses more modern protocols instead of still being capable of sending over old, insecure ones like 2G.
It’s purely an improvement over SMS in terms of security and privacy, and personally, I don’t think users should be defaulted into having their phone downgrade to insecure protocols. It should always be an opt-in decision they have to make. (although they could definitely make it clearer that someone could enable it if their messages are failing to send with RCS)
RCS is actually a huge improvement over SMS, as it is fully encrypted. One of the few times I’ve ever approved of something Google did…
If only it was an open standard…
It… is? It’s an open standard that anyone can use and implement. The main provider is Google and there has been a huge push from them to get Apple to adopt, which they mostly have. It’s not ‘owned’ by any company. It’s predominantly serviced by Google, but is in fact an open standard. Google and others have their own format which is how they and their apps interpret and interact with each other, but it is an open standard. There are some backend and requirements for it which stops most from setting it up and implementing off the shelf and just going with Google, but you absolutely could use and make your own format with the standard.
Yep, main reason it’s associated with Google because they bought a company (Jibe Mobile) making one of the main backend service offerings and offered cloud hosting of it, so providers just went with that rather than rolling out their own software.
Also with Apple ignoring it in favour of iMessage, Google was the only one supporting it on handsets. Google client + Google backend = people think it’s Google’s iMessage competitor.
Rather than build for humanity they build for the demon capital.
It’s from an era where everyone just used open standards instead of trying to create their own thing for money.
SMS is literally from a time when every mobile phone manufacturer had their on charger plug. And some tried pushing proprietary headphone jacks.
Vendors LOVE vendor lock-in.
Yeah that’s because vendor lockin for hardware had already started. It’s kind of a miracle we got everyone to agree to USB. Look at cars, same thing. Everyone agreed to the same gas pump, but it’s been decades and we can’t agree on a standard for electric car chargers. That’s what happens when industries mature under capitalism
The GSM protocol was an actual standard enforced on operators across Europe, which is why back when mobile telephony took off, it very much exploded in Europe (in turn propelling companies such as Nokia and Ericcson) but was much slower to take of in the US were there were various private and competing mobile telephony protocols.
The vendors didn’t agree on anything on their own, they were forced to agree as part of the conditions of the various radio spectrum auctions all over Europe. The US then finally followed at around GSM v3.
You see a similar thing for USB - it’s an international standard and standardization around USB 3 and the USB-C connector it is being forced on vendors by the EU.
SMS was never intended to be available to end users. It was built as a side channel to help field techs with diagnostics. When consumer handsets started to add features, it was co-opted to provide what we know it as today.
That explains why way back when I tried to read the GSM (1.x) specification out of curiosity, it turned out SMS were going via a “control channel”.
Always wondered why the data for those was going via a control channel rather than some kind of data channel.
And even instant and encrypted when using https://delta.chat/
That is why everyone should be using Delta Chat
