Putting aside the psychotic torture fantasies of these unhinged weirdos, could I please give perspective?
I’m anti-pornography. I’m also a former sex worker. I don’t think that no one should consume porn, but you need to realize how horrific the porn industry truly is. It’s why I think people should consume amateur stuff, OF, and independent makers. Big name companies are abusive, full-stop. There are, of course, exceptions with smaller stuff, too, but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted.
This is not a moralistic, prude, “Christian-viewpoint”-thing. Far from it! All I’m saying is that if most of y’all can be furious & boycott N×stlé for their human rights abuse, y’all should also look into ethical porn consumption.
but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted
What do they go through?
Yeah, I know. Drugs to keep the dick hard. Drugs to keep everything not sensitive enough. Drugs to keep going for hours on end. Badly ventilated rooms that begin to smell too much like bodily fluids. I’ve heard the stories of a few cameramen who started their career filming porn.
No wonder most “professionally” made porn always looks so fake to me.
Personally, when it comes to porn I like drawn or animated much better.
Well… sure. That.
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And rape.
Horrific, merciless, torturous rape. And it can go on for days.
And they essentially own you. They often make sure you’re in such dire straits that they can take advantage of that and force you to do things you never agreed to because they know you’re desperate.
And they record it. And they’ll sell it. And you get to live with knowing that potentially thousands of people get to see you being tortured and get off from seeing you absolutely suffer at your lowest of lows.
The drugs just sometimes help to dull the pain. And make you forget. Sometimes.
Which is a completely valid perspective, it’s stuff like this that is being posted that actually makes your perspective both be not noticed, why would it be when there is salacious and audacious takes to post and discuss but also undermines you, now some rando is going to read this and put you in this camp and automatically write you off as crazy and your ideas as immediately dismissible. The problem is that even if this is “rage bait” its existence and proliferation will silence you as a side effect, that’s the actual purpose of “rage bait”
This is where I am at. Sex work was dehumanizing and traumatizing. I was recorded once during an assault. There’s a lot of problematic attitudes towards sex that make the industry damaging and dangerous.
It’s just obnoxious that loons like this are so common in anti-porn spaces.
100% OF, Chaturbate, or whatever. Only ethical way to go. The actors are fully in control of what they’re willing to do, and for how much.
Mostly, there are cases (Colombia for sure to my knowledge) where girls work at call center-like facilities operating OF, Chaturbate, etc accounts and hand over a cut to the owners of the facility.
Best case, it’s a contractor studio where girls with little to no money/access to the Internet and decent hardware can make a bit of money. I’m sure there are worse cases and would rather not think about how people twist that model into slavery.
Yep
That’s why I do what I do. I hope that people can find something they like, for free, without the exploitation
My fiancée and I want to make educational stuff for people too
Some troll had already said that we must be ugly because we don’t want to charge
I don’t have any real disagreement, but I think the problem is capitalism. The abuses in sex work are more visceral, but capitalism will create horrors for a few pennies.
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Amateur porn tends to be way better anyway. The ladies look way less plastic and sad, the moans aren’t usually horribly overdone, and it’s just hotter in general.
Hell yeah.
One really weird thing that stands out to me is
hard labour…picking litter, picking produce, clearing mine fields, cleaning up Chernobyl
Ok, so picking vegetables and cleaning up rubbish; is somehow equivalent to clearing explosives or cleaning up nuclear contamination.
So strange.
So voluntary watching of porn bad, mandatory watching of torture videos good? Or is this satire?
This is not satire. Niiwa-Angel is a pretty active TERF, who also routinely posts about wanting to kill trans women.
I think that the ones who should be punished are the politicians and leaders that have allowed easy to access and free porn to be available to 12 year olds for decades now. While these puritanical pearl clutchers go after cigarettes, drugs, the wOKe AgeNda, piracy and anything else that makes it look like they actually give a shit about society; they’ve oddly turned a blind eye to kids consuming aggressive porn where women are treated like fleshlights and incest fantasies abound. Almost in the same way that they’ve turned a blind eye to the fact that being a priest makes you very likely to also be a pedo.
Most of the good porn is amateur couples anyway. Wonder what their take on that would be.
They’re deeply unhealthy
They will find some problem, even if it’s one they just made up
These takes bother me a lot less when I remember that there is a very high chance that the person making them is literally 14.
Interesting that all the assumptions of torturing producers and consumers are geared toward men. As though women don’t produce or consume porn.
Or as if gay porn wasn’t a thing. It is funny when you realize how anti-men people do mental gymnastics for this kind of stuff, yet on the same breath state that sex work is real work, when pointed at OF “models”, or anything that is lucrative for women.
So many people aren’t even anti-men, it’s just that they don’t respect women enough to consider them capable of anything distasteful(unless they can use it to force them to do things for them). It’s like how people lose their minds over trans women but say nothing about trans men. And, honestly, as a straight man from the start, we have a terrible history that, as a group, we are doing far too little to grow out of despite having so many tools and so much power available to us. I kinda get it.
I fully agree with that first half of the statement, and seeing women as nothing but things, incapable of evil, of plotting, murdering, mass murdering or any other distasteful thing.
But then on the next few lines you show similar views with collective responsibility, on how straight men have a terrible history, and that we’re doing far too little to grow out of.
People are not monolithic, and while sure, you can state statistics, judging everyone for the crimes of many or few they share characteristics out of their control with, is a very fucked up thing.
I literally said “as a group”, which implies that it is a generalization and I am well aware that there exceptions. I myself am generally considered to be one such exception by many women I meet and I am quite proud of that and the work I’ve put in to get there.
We, AS A WHOLE, are still not able to make women AS A WHOLE feel safe. They are choosing the bear and they are not wrong to just because a couple nice men exist somewhere. There’re also awful women out there, but I’m FAR more confident that I’d be safe around a random women than a woman would be around a strange man and no amount me of trying to be a victim will change that for the better.
One could argue that showing cock&ball torture on a livestream is also a form of porn.
every accusation is a…?
This is written by people that want to stop you getting your jollies at watching people fucking, and get their jollies at watching people being dismembered.
One of these things is not like the other.
Oh no, not porn! How dare a bunch of people have sex on camera! Just how dare they!
I only consume drawn porn. IDGAF if the artists torment their own creations, and considering how often Tumblrinas put their blorbos in the horrors I think they are also fine with it.
… and now i finally understand what blorbo means. i mean i still had to look it up but this prompted me to look it up and this time it actually clicked
Making the exception for young boys stumbling across it has me wondering if this was a post on child pornography. The extreme punishments would make more sense too.
No - radiant fem suggestions is the original post in the chain.
Then there’s really no explanation other than she’s certifiably cuckoobananas.
There’s a group of rabid crazies that think that a woman can never consent to having sex with a man (because of the patriarchy). In their minds, any man who has sex with a woman is a rapist.
It’s ironically one of the most sexist beliefs against women I’ve ever heard.
Ah yes, “all piv s*x is rape (and/or) unnatural” (they would ACTUALLY unironically censor the word ‘sex’ in their verbal diarrhea) posts.
I remember seeing them getting more and more attention like ten or so years ago.
…Sometimes I wonder if the political shitstorm we’re enduring today is at least partially backlash against that in particular.
Like, the fascists print that shit out and frame it and say “this is what we are uniting against” and that’s how they convinced so many normies to follow them. Fuck.
It’s definitely a factor. I’m quite left leaning, but even I agree with them on a good number of points. Thankfully I’m capable of dissecting it further, so wasn’t drawn in. I can easily see how boys and young men could be.
We spent our whole lives being told we needed to apologise to women for oppressing them. That women had it worse than us and things needed to be evened up. Meanwhile, we were often worse off than they were, and got no additional support, other than being told to man up and/or being laughed at, with a dose of “how does it feel”.
Best I can tell. Feminists look at the top men and compare them to the average woman’s situation. They also make a lot of noise about the privileges men have, but are suspiciously quiet about the responsibilities linked to them. Women need their own space, but any male space is evil, and must be destroyed.
Fyi, I’m also aware that it’s a small minority of feminists, but they have a disproportionate voice in the media.
I just remember the “male tears” mug photos that went around as response to any grievance boys or men posted about
Can you imagine the reverse? A “female tears” mug, being used to mock a woman after domestic abuse. It would have caused an unbelievable amount of outrage! The fact that the situation has deteriorated enough that I’m not sure it still would, shows the flaw in the mentality.
…I can at least comfort myself in the knowledge that I’m not the worst kind of useful idiot.
I don’t think you’re wrong that it contributed. If nothing else, the GOP used it in their brainwashing to brand all liberals as being like them.
I literally heard Fox News use that logic not long ago to say that liberals are the reason why a child molester claimed he was trans when arrested for flashing children in a locker room.
What in the evangelical hell is this? Porn isn’t bad
nobody could have stopped child me from finding porn. I discovered social engineering the old fashioned way just to acquire consistent internet access, and I did entering without breaking that would get an adult in trouble to access computers with nobody around in more than one place. I taught my parents how to use computers and I protected them from viruses. there was no stopping me.
I gave the pimply teenager at the quickymart $5 and he let me buy any magazines I wanted.
ah the 80s…
Yeah, it’s part of the reason I’m so good with IT. My stepmom was the systems engineer, and I had to figure out ways to get around her blocks and hide my tracks.
Strict parents raise sneaky, cautious, and paranoid kids.
Which would make sense that my IT career led me to cyber security. It drives my wife’s trust issues insane that I have so many safeguards on our data at home.
But, the only reason her devices are in a completely different subnet from mine is because she uses tiktok and meta services, and gets pissed about my ad blocking.
