One really weird thing that stands out to me is
hard labour…picking litter, picking produce, clearing mine fields, cleaning up Chernobyl
Ok, so picking vegetables and cleaning up rubbish; is somehow equivalent to clearing explosives or cleaning up nuclear contamination.
So strange.
So voluntary watching of porn bad, mandatory watching of torture videos good? Or is this satire?
This is not satire. Niiwa-Angel is a pretty active TERF, who also routinely posts about wanting to kill trans women.
Most of the good porn is amateur couples anyway. Wonder what their take on that would be.
They’re deeply unhealthy
They will find some problem, even if it’s one they just made up
Oh no, not porn! How dare a bunch of people have sex on camera! Just how dare they!
every accusation is a…?
These takes bother me a lot less when I remember that there is a very high chance that the person making them is literally 14.
Interesting that all the assumptions of torturing producers and consumers are geared toward men. As though women don’t produce or consume porn.
Or as if gay porn wasn’t a thing. It is funny when you realize how anti-men people do mental gymnastics for this kind of stuff, yet on the same breath state that sex work is real work, when pointed at OF “models”, or anything that is lucrative for women.
So many people aren’t even anti-men, it’s just that they don’t respect women enough to consider them capable of anything distasteful(unless they can use it to force them to do things for them). It’s like how people lose their minds over trans women but say nothing about trans men. And, honestly, as a straight man from the start, we have a terrible history that, as a group, we are doing far too little to grow out of despite having so many tools and so much power available to us. I kinda get it.
I fully agree with that first half of the statement, and seeing women as nothing but things, incapable of evil, of plotting, murdering, mass murdering or any other distasteful thing.
But then on the next few lines you show similar views with collective responsibility, on how straight men have a terrible history, and that we’re doing far too little to grow out of.
People are not monolithic, and while sure, you can state statistics, judging everyone for the crimes of many or few they share characteristics out of their control with, is a very fucked up thing.
I literally said “as a group”, which implies that it is a generalization and I am well aware that there exceptions. I myself am generally considered to be one such exception by many women I meet and I am quite proud of that and the work I’ve put in to get there.
We, AS A WHOLE, are still not able to make women AS A WHOLE feel safe. They are choosing the bear and they are not wrong to just because a couple nice men exist somewhere. There’re also awful women out there, but I’m FAR more confident that I’d be safe around a random women than a woman would be around a strange man and no amount me of trying to be a victim will change that for the better.
These are just the same type of extremists as the Christian fascists roaming free in the US right now. Gotta control people’s naughty habits, we can’t just leave people to have their fun, now can we?
It’s the same type of people who claim that any penetration is automatically rape, doesn’t matter if the girl likes it, wants it, it’s rape, I tell you!
These people are insufferable
I thought it was Lemmy for a second.
This is just rage bait.
This is written by people that want to stop you getting your jollies at watching people fucking, and get their jollies at watching people being dismembered.
One of these things is not like the other.
This is where the Overton window has shifted to. We’re now debating whether modern capital punishment is too humane for porn producers.
Overton window
People here sure are obsessed with this. Turning it into a buzzword & using it in the oddest places, too.
This is Tumblr. The overton window is about mainstream views.
The Overton window on Tumblr, then. I recall it was very different before the owners banned sexual content.
I mean, you’re looking at one screenshot of one Tumblr post. If you look hard enough you’ll find someone advocating for any deranged view you can think of. I’m pretty sure that whatever the hell this is isn’t going to be a commonly held opinion.
Yeah, I remember when Tumblr was full of users who were really obsessed with porn and smut in general.
One could argue that showing cock&ball torture on a livestream is also a form of porn.
Hey can you put a CW on this please? Really didn’t want to read that unprepared :/
Putting aside the psychotic torture fantasies of these unhinged weirdos, could I please give perspective?
I’m anti-pornography. I’m also a former sex worker. I don’t think that no one should consume porn, but you need to realize how horrific the porn industry truly is. It’s why I think people should consume amateur stuff, OF, and independent makers. Big name companies are abusive, full-stop. There are, of course, exceptions with smaller stuff, too, but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted.
This is not a moralistic, prude, “Christian-viewpoint”-thing. Far from it! All I’m saying is that if most of y’all can be furious & boycott N×stlé for their human rights abuse, y’all should also look into ethical porn consumption.
Amateur porn tends to be way better anyway. The ladies look way less plastic and sad, the moans aren’t usually horribly overdone, and it’s just hotter in general.
Yeah, I know. Drugs to keep the dick hard. Drugs to keep everything not sensitive enough. Drugs to keep going for hours on end. Badly ventilated rooms that begin to smell too much like bodily fluids. I’ve heard the stories of a few cameramen who started their career filming porn.
No wonder most “professionally” made porn always looks so fake to me.
Personally, when it comes to porn I like drawn or animated much better.
Well… sure. That.
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And rape.
Horrific, merciless, torturous rape. And it can go on for days.
And they essentially own you. They often make sure you’re in such dire straits that they can take advantage of that and force you to do things you never agreed to because they know you’re desperate.
And they record it. And they’ll sell it. And you get to live with knowing that potentially thousands of people get to see you being tortured and get off from seeing you absolutely suffer at your lowest of lows.
The drugs just sometimes help to dull the pain. And make you forget. Sometimes.
Hell yeah.
Which is a completely valid perspective, it’s stuff like this that is being posted that actually makes your perspective both be not noticed, why would it be when there is salacious and audacious takes to post and discuss but also undermines you, now some rando is going to read this and put you in this camp and automatically write you off as crazy and your ideas as immediately dismissible. The problem is that even if this is “rage bait” its existence and proliferation will silence you as a side effect, that’s the actual purpose of “rage bait”
I don’t have any real disagreement, but I think the problem is capitalism. The abuses in sex work are more visceral, but capitalism will create horrors for a few pennies.
capitalism guarantees it will always be more profitable to be immoral.
i keep repeating it but it’s so simple and not said enough.
if company A is concerned about morality and company B isn’t, and they’re both selling the same thing, company B will make more profit… they will eventually destroy company A.
even with companies that advertise being super conscientious and make it part of their brand, it’s going to be more profitable to pretend to be than to actually be.
so, buying from giant corporations will always be more evil than buying from small, good groups… and will always be cheaper.
and of course, this applies to porn.
from what i’ve read in AMA’s and such from ex-porn victims, the business model is basically trick them into signing disclaimers, drug and rape them, and then don’t pay them what they were told.
i can’t watch regular porn anymore… not that it’s super healthy anyways… but with the big companies, you’re basically watching videos of a crime.
even with sites like OF, people will pay a lot more for more fucked up stuff… stuff that damages your body… family and friends eventually find out and it fucks up lives in ways they didn’t expect….there’s no disclaimer about “eventually when you have kids, they’ll be picked on because they’ll find out their mom did porn… everyone at the PTA will gossip and know, and you’ll be treated with disrespect forever”.
This is where I am at. Sex work was dehumanizing and traumatizing. I was recorded once during an assault. There’s a lot of problematic attitudes towards sex that make the industry damaging and dangerous.
It’s just obnoxious that loons like this are so common in anti-porn spaces.
100% OF, Chaturbate, or whatever. Only ethical way to go. The actors are fully in control of what they’re willing to do, and for how much.
Mostly, there are cases (Colombia for sure to my knowledge) where girls work at call center-like facilities operating OF, Chaturbate, etc accounts and hand over a cut to the owners of the facility.
Best case, it’s a contractor studio where girls with little to no money/access to the Internet and decent hardware can make a bit of money. I’m sure there are worse cases and would rather not think about how people twist that model into slavery.
but if you knew what these women and girls AND many boys and men go through for the sake of porn, I hope you would be horrified and disgusted
What do they go through?
Yep
That’s why I do what I do. I hope that people can find something they like, for free, without the exploitation
My fiancée and I want to make educational stuff for people too
Some troll had already said that we must be ugly because we don’t want to charge
