• ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net
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    Body cams were never a solution to anything. I remember multiple police murders recorded on body cams were the officer was acquitted by the jury. Police murder is basically legal in US*. Recording it doesn’t change anything. As for police brutality in general they simply learned to shout “stop resisting” when beating people up. Without basic accountability the recording are useless.

    *It’s enough if police officer thinks he is in danger to make killing legal. Pretty much if he’s scared he can shoot. Body cams can’t prove he wasn’t scared.

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      7 hours ago

      Body cams aren’t the solution, but they do help a lot. When cops have zero oversight, they commit way more atrocities, on average.

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        You should read this: https://prismreports.org/2024/07/16/complex-troubling-history-police-body-cameras/

        "Long before body cameras were introduced to the public and found themselves in mainstream conversations about police reform, they were first peddled to police departments by tech companies and major corporations.

        With body cameras, law enforcement agencies could expand their surveillance capacity, mitigate police brutality lawsuits, create “highly controllable evidence” against the largely poor, largely Black citizens of whom police often seek to capture footage, and quell social unrest by creating “comprehensive digital archives” of attendees at protests for social change"

        “It was the 2014 police killing of Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri, that would forever change the public conversation around police accountability and allow body cameras to take center stage. Almost immediately, body cameras were no longer being pitched behind closed doors to police departments, but were rather presented to the public as an invaluable tool for police “reform” and increased “transparency.””

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          Anyone can record in public at any time anyway. There’s no reason to not have police body cams even if they aren’t as effective as they should be. The police will always have body cameras if they want them, and they don’t want them. If the police don’t want to wear them, that tells me that they probably should even if we need to work on getting public access to the footage.

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      There’s a reason some cops turn off their body cams before certain encounters, it’s because some places do hold them accountable. At least there’s a public record

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    If asked about how DEA agents died, people will say “Dunno”, and there will be no camera to say otherwise.

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    It was just so inconvenient having to remember to cut them off before flagrantly breaking the law

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    With them being able to turn it off at any time they felt like it anyway, it’s not like body cameras were fulfilling their (dishonestly) stated purpose of improved transparency.

    Still a very bad sign that they no longer feel the need to even PRETEND to care, though…

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    Mob rule. And not the angry crowd of people type. The Organized Crime type.

    America is going to resemble every 1990s russian gangster’s wet dream in half the time.

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      And find a way to have it automatically sync to the cloud, with automatic release if certain reporting in parameters aren’t met

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        the ACLU Mobile Justice app does this

        Holy shit they shut it down a month after dorito stain took office what the fuck

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          That app has been junk for several years. I think there was a change in permissions in one of the Android versions that made it useless, they never updated it.

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          Bad timing, but I’m guessing they ran out of funding to continue app development, since now they have so much legal battles to do. The app was already broken, buggy, and barely functional for the past 5 years.

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        Hopefully they don’t start carrying something that jams signals to disable the ability for something to sync to a cloud.

        If that ends up being the case, “evidence” of crimes isn’t going to help anyone being victimized much. 😓

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            Signal jammers are available for purchase online and depending on purpose are affordable and compact.

            That said; often they are illegal for civilians.

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          We need a contraption where a cable is connecting your body cam to a friend following you, and the recording is synched through the cable to a storage device they hold. Then if SHTF, the friend can run with the footage they have and give it a reputable journalist or ACLU.

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            I feel like if you found a way to do a mesh net (ive been really into Meshtastic as of late, but the data throughput of LoRA would not cut it), and have other members of the mesh sync the file (encrypted and compressed) that would work. Share the unlock code with a friend or a small group, that way you always have backups on other people’s devices.

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              I also, too, find lora Radio to be interesting. I think it has many applications to deal with tyranny. I could see them outlawing it at least for civilians.

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              Yea but the comment I replied to was talking about jamming, they’d probably be able to detect what frequency you are trasmitting on and jam those too. Only a hard-wired cable is immune to jamming.

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                All wireless technology would be a game of cat&mouse anyway, they cant jam everything, the product would just have to be developed to take advantage of multiple open or common parts of the spectrum, like the 2.4 or 5 ghz ranges used by wi-fi.

                All hypothetical, im not a product designer nor an engineer who would be able to design the specifics.

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    A reminder to all that if there is no body cam footage when there should be, that is reasonable doubt. You have to assume the officers did the worst actions possible, and did so maliciously.