What hypothetical outcome are you even proposing? ‘He’d grow his influence through stirring rhetoric?’ We’ve all been exposed to his tweets; he sounds drunk. ‘If we’d sent him to prison he’d be more powerful?’ He’s in the god damn white house.
We live in the worst-case scenario. No shit our institutions are not guaranteed to prevent what already happened, but could you stop pretending that means, whatever happened was inevitable? A system failing is a historic event. They tend to do the thing they’re for.
I cannot comprehend the fatalism in saying ‘preventing this could not have prevented this.’
What hypothetical outcome are you even proposing? ‘He’d grow his influence through stirring rhetoric?’ We’ve all been exposed to his tweets; he sounds drunk. ‘If we’d sent him to prison he’d be more powerful?’ He’s in the god damn white house.
No, I’m saying it’s a little silly to parade around trump losing an election and nearly going to prison as the system ‘working’ against a direct comparison of Hitler, who literally had both of those things happen to him too.
A political system defined by the breakdown of democracy and rule of law isn’t going to be stopped by democracy or rule of law. You have to look beyond those systems to understand why they failed, and I rarely see liberals acknowledge anything other than electoralism as being involved in the growth of fascist movements.
I cannot comprehend the fatalism in saying ‘preventing this could not have prevented this.’
Is this the strawman you were looking for? If preventing this doesn’t prevent this, then preventing it didn’t really prevent it, no? Lol, honestly, you can’t stop fascism with voting any more than you can stop a mugger by yelling ‘you can’t do that!’ at them. It’s literally a failure of democratic systems and law in order that’s supported by a populist movement. You have to address the populist element, otherwise all you’ve done is lit a fire and walked away.
This is the same fatalism over and over. You don’t even recognize the tense of saying, “could.”
“Preventing this doesn’t prevent this” is what you are saying. You start from the assumption every democracy has failed, and then assert, there is no possible way a not-yet-failed democracy could protect itself. Like nothing was ever real except for this very moment.
No bud, I’m saying it works until it doesnt, and you’re counting on voters to do the work of rooting out fascism when their representatives aren’t doing anything to fix the problems that caused it.
It’s not fatalism, it’s holding accountable those with actual power to do something, because otherwise it isnt going to be enough to just vote.
Imagine if Trump had actually been sent to prison and had time and opportunity to write his own Mein Kampf.
He didn’t write his own autobiography.
What hypothetical outcome are you even proposing? ‘He’d grow his influence through stirring rhetoric?’ We’ve all been exposed to his tweets; he sounds drunk. ‘If we’d sent him to prison he’d be more powerful?’ He’s in the god damn white house.
We live in the worst-case scenario. No shit our institutions are not guaranteed to prevent what already happened, but could you stop pretending that means, whatever happened was inevitable? A system failing is a historic event. They tend to do the thing they’re for.
I cannot comprehend the fatalism in saying ‘preventing this could not have prevented this.’
No, I’m saying it’s a little silly to parade around trump losing an election and nearly going to prison as the system ‘working’ against a direct comparison of Hitler, who literally had both of those things happen to him too.
A political system defined by the breakdown of democracy and rule of law isn’t going to be stopped by democracy or rule of law. You have to look beyond those systems to understand why they failed, and I rarely see liberals acknowledge anything other than electoralism as being involved in the growth of fascist movements.
Is this the strawman you were looking for? If preventing this doesn’t prevent this, then preventing it didn’t really prevent it, no? Lol, honestly, you can’t stop fascism with voting any more than you can stop a mugger by yelling ‘you can’t do that!’ at them. It’s literally a failure of democratic systems and law in order that’s supported by a populist movement. You have to address the populist element, otherwise all you’ve done is lit a fire and walked away.
This is the same fatalism over and over. You don’t even recognize the tense of saying, “could.”
“Preventing this doesn’t prevent this” is what you are saying. You start from the assumption every democracy has failed, and then assert, there is no possible way a not-yet-failed democracy could protect itself. Like nothing was ever real except for this very moment.
No bud, I’m saying it works until it doesnt, and you’re counting on voters to do the work of rooting out fascism when their representatives aren’t doing anything to fix the problems that caused it.
It’s not fatalism, it’s holding accountable those with actual power to do something, because otherwise it isnt going to be enough to just vote.