Which really begs the question: why did he use that defense if it literally didn’t matter?
Because, like I told him, conservatives think things are true because they believe them. It’s why I asked if it would change his mind— I knew it wouldn’t, and I love it when they out themselves as the liars they are.
Just because some random news article claims something doesn’t make it true. It’s not evidence on its own.
And you know what, yeah I believed it was fake because it fit my lived experiences that most news articles are lying. I wanted it to be fake because it didn’t fit my world view, that journalists are liars.
As an aside, I got a chance to look around over my lunch break, and I can’t find any other pictures of that poster. You’d think if it was real, there’d be plenty of pictures. And I can’t find anywhere where the AfD said what the article claimed they said.
So I’m going to go with Hitchens’s razor. “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
Would it change your mind? Because it seems like the Holocaust denialism and should have done that already, unless you’re just playing along like all right-wingers do.
The AfD’s chairman in Frankfurt, Wilko Möller, called the criticism “absurd” and said the poster was merely aimed at illustrating that the party cared for children. “What better way to show this than with a roof over the head, which the adults symbolically represent with their arms to protect the children,” he said.
Sounds like you’re looking for any excuses to give these guys a pass just because they share the same far-right political alignment as you.
Matthias Helferich was elected to the German parliament in 2021 but resigned his seat after prompting outrage by his declaration in a leaked internet chat that he was “the friendly face of the Nazis”.
Tbh, anything that’d actually get posted here wouldn’t change my mind, mainly because of a lack of trust. We’ve both seen articles that are blatant lies,
And wanting to deport assholes isn’t exactly far right, despite labels to the contrary.
Well that’s just a philosophical question, isn’t it?
All you really know is what you experience first hand. Everything else is hear-say and personal beliefs.
I had a period of time during Trump’s first admin where I read an article about him, and then I’d go find the original source, whether it was one of Trump’s tweets, or a video of the event, or whatever. I really did my best to be impartial. And every time, I’d find that the article was either telling a half-truth or outright lying.
I’m a lot busier these days, (just with a few minutes of downtime here and there, that’s when I get on Lemmy), so I can’t investigate every article I come across, I just don’t have the time. Those that I do look into usually turn out to be more half-truths and lies.
My personal experience says that the news is not to be trusted.
The Daily Mail is European. Der Spiegel is infamous for making up an entire town. Those are the two that come to mind immediately, but I’m sure there’s others.
Wasn’t that just made up? Like it wasn’t the AfD who made that, but some random guy on the Internet?
The poster seems to be real:
https://www.thetimes.com/world/europe/article/afd-accused-nazi-symbolism-election-germany-hm8dv7nql
Archive link: https://archive.is/dtG2v
Notice how he’s still defending the AfD after pretending that he was going to research it.
This is because he’s a fascist who only says what he needs to win an argument. Fascists are so entirely predictable.
He already said he doesn’t care.
Which really begs the question: why did he use that defense if it literally didn’t matter?
Because, like I told him, conservatives think things are true because they believe them. It’s why I asked if it would change his mind— I knew it wouldn’t, and I love it when they out themselves as the liars they are.
I appreciate the archive, it’s nice when people do that. Too often, “credible” news sites change articles without saying so.
That said, if true, the AfD is incredibly suspect here. I’d have to go looking to see if what they’re saying is true.
The poster is real. Please edit your initial comment to reflect that.
Give me a bit, I’ve been busy, and it’s hard to find primary sources in languages I don’t speak.
What primary source did you use to determine that the poster was a fake whenever you made that claim? You should just post that.
I’m not the one making the claim. The news article is. If anything, they need to be the ones providing evidence.
I see. You believed it was fake because you wanted to believe it.
Hey! Just like I said!
Just because some random news article claims something doesn’t make it true. It’s not evidence on its own.
And you know what, yeah I believed it was fake because it fit my lived experiences that most news articles are lying. I wanted it to be fake because it didn’t fit my world view, that journalists are liars.
As an aside, I got a chance to look around over my lunch break, and I can’t find any other pictures of that poster. You’d think if it was real, there’d be plenty of pictures. And I can’t find anywhere where the AfD said what the article claimed they said.
So I’m going to go with Hitchens’s razor. “What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.”
Would it change your mind? Because it seems like the Holocaust denialism and should have done that already, unless you’re just playing along like all right-wingers do.
Sounds like you’re looking for any excuses to give these guys a pass just because they share the same far-right political alignment as you.
Tbh, anything that’d actually get posted here wouldn’t change my mind, mainly because of a lack of trust. We’ve both seen articles that are blatant lies,
And wanting to deport assholes isn’t exactly far right, despite labels to the contrary.
Oh there’s a big surprise: a far-right wingnut will continue to lie for the Nazis despite the truth being very obvious.
How very postmodern of you. The truth is just what you believe, huh?
Well that’s just a philosophical question, isn’t it?
All you really know is what you experience first hand. Everything else is hear-say and personal beliefs.
I had a period of time during Trump’s first admin where I read an article about him, and then I’d go find the original source, whether it was one of Trump’s tweets, or a video of the event, or whatever. I really did my best to be impartial. And every time, I’d find that the article was either telling a half-truth or outright lying.
I’m a lot busier these days, (just with a few minutes of downtime here and there, that’s when I get on Lemmy), so I can’t investigate every article I come across, I just don’t have the time. Those that I do look into usually turn out to be more half-truths and lies.
My personal experience says that the news is not to be trusted.
News in Europe is much different than news in the US. You can’t really compare the two.
The Daily Mail is European. Der Spiegel is infamous for making up an entire town. Those are the two that come to mind immediately, but I’m sure there’s others.
I’m not reading your fascist screed, get bent Nazi.
You’ve already said you don’t care about the truth, this conversation is as worthless as that brain you have rattling around in your head.
Guess we’re allowed to call out communists here, but fascists are A-OK.
What a joke of a com.
You can call out anyone you want. But when it comes to users you should be nicer
Nah, fuck fascists. I guess you want this place turning into a Nazi bar.
Why don’t you check that guy in the modlog and see if you really want to stand up for him.
Here’s a hint: he’s a fascist, and they take whatever opportunity to spread their hateful rhetoric that will get my friends killed.
Hey be nice
deleted by creator