Likewise, the Australian government supplied fuel and bikes to Gaza; those very same bikes were used in the massacres that started the war. Are you going to hold the Australian government equally accountable for sending aid to Gaza, knowing that it will be Hamas who will use it?
Selling weapons to a military you are aware is in the long process of violently persecuting millions of people, in their country, with those weapons, is not the same as providing non-weapons to the persecuted, and having radicals fighting against the colonizing force appropriating them. This is a bad faith argument.
The weapons aren’t sold yet, they’re being trialled. Once the trial concludes its findings, then the purchase may go through.
They again, aren’t using the weapons in Gaza, because they’re being trialled. The Australian government also requested that the weapons are not to be used in Gaza.
Don’t dismiss Hamas as just radicals. They are the governing force of Gaza. Before the war, all international aid moved through Hamas before it could reach the Palestinians. That means that the bikes and fuel, both of which were used in the massacres that caused this current conflict, were directly sent to Hamas.
I never said they didn’t take control, and they are radicals, I hear that descriptor attached to them all the time. Also, this specific unit was something I used to show that Australia has long term weapons sales desires with an apartheid state. When a government takes foreign aid, rather than distribute it, it is often said that they appropriated it, or stole it, or high-jacked it, whatever. Even beyond that, it wasn’t actual weapons, literally anything can be used as a weapon, so we either say literally everything going to a place is a weapons sales/trade/donation, or we reserve that name for things built specifically to be weapons.
Also, do not gloss over how colonized people often end up having to rely on radical elements of their population to fight against the colonizers. Do not gloss over the maneuvers bibi, and the israeli government, performed to make sure hamas stays in power, because they use them as a PR shield, like their soldiers record themselves using palestinians as bullet shields. Israel is the colonizing force here, the terrorist guerrilla government of hamas is a result of reaction to this colonization.
This conversation is pointless. You aren’t going to budge on anything, and I’m not going to take hearsay seriously. This is pretty off-topic as it is.
Bottom line is this:
Your initial claim that Australia is selling weapons to Israel was verifiably false.
Australia is not selling those weapon systems to Israel just yet; they are being trialled. No Australian weapon is used in Gaza. The Australian government has told the Israeli government not to use Australian weapons in Gaza.
Only if you’re consumed by propaganda.
What the fuck can australia legitimately do about the conflict? Nothing but strong words and not much else.
Well, they could stop sending weapons to israel, instead of just denying that they do.
https://acij.org.au/despite-government-claims-australia-still-exporting-lethal-arms-to-israel/
There is no evidence that the weapon system is being used in Gaza, and the government also requested that it is not to be used in Gaza.
Likewise, the Australian government supplied fuel and bikes to Gaza; those very same bikes were used in the massacres that started the war. Are you going to hold the Australian government equally accountable for sending aid to Gaza, knowing that it will be Hamas who will use it?
Selling weapons to a military you are aware is in the long process of violently persecuting millions of people, in their country, with those weapons, is not the same as providing non-weapons to the persecuted, and having radicals fighting against the colonizing force appropriating them. This is a bad faith argument.
The weapons aren’t sold yet, they’re being trialled. Once the trial concludes its findings, then the purchase may go through.
They again, aren’t using the weapons in Gaza, because they’re being trialled. The Australian government also requested that the weapons are not to be used in Gaza.
Don’t dismiss Hamas as just radicals. They are the governing force of Gaza. Before the war, all international aid moved through Hamas before it could reach the Palestinians. That means that the bikes and fuel, both of which were used in the massacres that caused this current conflict, were directly sent to Hamas.
Stop lying.
I never said they didn’t take control, and they are radicals, I hear that descriptor attached to them all the time. Also, this specific unit was something I used to show that Australia has long term weapons sales desires with an apartheid state. When a government takes foreign aid, rather than distribute it, it is often said that they appropriated it, or stole it, or high-jacked it, whatever. Even beyond that, it wasn’t actual weapons, literally anything can be used as a weapon, so we either say literally everything going to a place is a weapons sales/trade/donation, or we reserve that name for things built specifically to be weapons.
Also, do not gloss over how colonized people often end up having to rely on radical elements of their population to fight against the colonizers. Do not gloss over the maneuvers bibi, and the israeli government, performed to make sure hamas stays in power, because they use them as a PR shield, like their soldiers record themselves using palestinians as bullet shields. Israel is the colonizing force here, the terrorist guerrilla government of hamas is a result of reaction to this colonization.
This conversation is pointless. You aren’t going to budge on anything, and I’m not going to take hearsay seriously. This is pretty off-topic as it is.
Bottom line is this:
Your initial claim that Australia is selling weapons to Israel was verifiably false.
Australia is not selling those weapon systems to Israel just yet; they are being trialled. No Australian weapon is used in Gaza. The Australian government has told the Israeli government not to use Australian weapons in Gaza.
Nothing else needs to be said on the matter