Thousands of children in Gaza have been admitted to hospitals for malnutrition, but even as they waste away, doctors’ options for treating them have been depleted.
I noticed you saying Levant instead of Palestine. If you really want peace why do you try to erase Palestinian identity? That aside yes, it’s called nuance. Such borders are possible and desirable in Africa because ethnicities there follow nice geographic distributions, while in Palestine Jewish settlement had no geographic basis and therefore it’s impossible to draw borders that would satisfy both sides. Also, Zionists have already shown that they can’t be trusted to have their own state and not use it for ethnic cleansing.
This betrays your lacking knowledge of Jewish settlement.
Also I don’t know if it’s more racist towards Africans, Jews, or Palestinians. You seem to have expectations below the floor for all of them. They can be happy to have you as their white savior.
This betrays your lacking knowledge of Jewish settlement.
You do realize the borders of what supposed to be Israel included more than half the Palestinian population right? This betrays your lacking knowledge of Palestinian and Israeli history.
You seem to have expectations below the floor for all of them. They can be happy to have you as their white savior.
Okay if you think malicious European-drawn borders in Africa haven’t been massive sources if instability and conflict in sub Saharan Africa then you should learn more history before talking about this stuff.
Of course borders in Africa are a clusterfuck. Remember that the borders in the Middle East are also a bit whack. The border at the Jordan river separates majority Palestinian populations on both sides. The border between Syria and Israel separates the Druze. The Kurds don’t have a state at all.
You are talking about the 1947 partition plan. That plan meant nobody would have to leave their land and a minority of the other side would live in the Jewish and Arab state respectively. Zionists accepted the plan, the Arabs rejected it.
I was talking about the population today. Two states with minorities are still possible. Same as you want in Africa.
I was talking about the population today. Two states with minorities are still possible.
Yeah here’s the big problem with the two state solution both then and now: Zionists don’t fucking want it. They never wanted it. I’ll avoid going on a rant about Zionist bad faith negotiation, but would you say that Zionists have gotten more or less radical since partition? Because Ben Gurion is on record saying “We must expel the Arabs and take their place”. More recently Zionists took the only man with the sanity and spine to attempt to put an end to all this, Yitzhak Rabin, and fucking killed him so they could continue their ethnic cleansing project. The man who took his place and ended negotiations with the PLO is Netanyahu, the so-called king of Israeli politics.
Anyway, since Zionists don’t want peace of any kind, they’ll have to be forced into it, and if they have to be forced to accept peace anyway we might as well advocate for a truly just peace rather than a compromise doomed to fail, hence the one state solution.
Same as you want in Africa.
20% ethnicity Y in a state allocated to ethnicity X is not a viable partition model, neither in Palestine or Africa. If there are ethnicities in Africa where that’s the best partition model that can be done then I’d drop partition there too.
Zionists accepted two states in 1935, 1947, 1948, and offered two state peace deals in 2000 and 2008 (Olmert). All of them were rejected by the Palestinians.
One state would only lead to a civil war and we end up right where we are now, but likely worse.
September 2008, Olmert made a comprehensive plan as a secret offer to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas, which would have had Israel annexing just 6.3% of the West Bank, and the implementation of a five-nation trusteeship for the Holy Basin surrounding the Old City of Jerusalem.
Ah yes a two state solution where they get to keep their colonies.
Zionists accepted two states in 1935, 1947, 1948, and offered two state peace deals in 2000 and 2008 (Olmert).
The plan was celebrated by most Jews in Palestine,[48] with Zionist leaders, in particular David Ben-Gurion, viewing the plan as a tactical step and a stepping stone to future territorial expansion over all of Palestine.
-Wikipedia on the Nakba.
Ben Gurion urged fellow Jews to accept the UN Partition Plan, pointing out that arrangements are never final, ‘not with regard to the regime, not with regard to borders, and not with regard to international agreements’. The idea of partition being a temporary expedient dated back to the Peel Partition proposal of 1937. When the Zionist Congress had rejected partition on the grounds that the Jews had an inalienable right to settle anywhere in Palestine, Ben Gurion had argued in favour of acceptance, 'I see in the realisation of this plan practically the decisive stage in the beginning of full redemption and the most wonderful lever for the gradual conquest of all of Palestine.
-Also Wikipedia.
So like I said, Zionists never wanted two states or intended to stay inside their designated borders.
and offered two state peace deals in 2000 and 2008 (Olmert).
In the 2000 offer Israel wanted to turn Palestine into Bantustans subservient to Israel so… uh… yeah. That was not a good faith offer no matter how you look at it. And about the 2008 offer, here’s BBC on the topic:
At the end of their meeting, Olmert refused to hand over a copy of the map to Mahmoud Abbas unless the Palestinian leader sign it.
Abbas refused, saying that he needed to show his experts the map, to make sure they understood exactly what was being offered.
Olmert says the two agreed to a meeting of map experts the following day.
I noticed you saying Levant instead of Palestine. If you really want peace why do you try to erase Palestinian identity? That aside yes, it’s called nuance. Such borders are possible and desirable in Africa because ethnicities there follow nice geographic distributions, while in Palestine Jewish settlement had no geographic basis and therefore it’s impossible to draw borders that would satisfy both sides. Also, Zionists have already shown that they can’t be trusted to have their own state and not use it for ethnic cleansing.
This betrays your lacking knowledge of Jewish settlement.
Also I don’t know if it’s more racist towards Africans, Jews, or Palestinians. You seem to have expectations below the floor for all of them. They can be happy to have you as their white savior.
You do realize the borders of what supposed to be Israel included more than half the Palestinian population right? This betrays your lacking knowledge of Palestinian and Israeli history.
Okay if you think malicious European-drawn borders in Africa haven’t been massive sources if instability and conflict in sub Saharan Africa then you should learn more history before talking about this stuff.
Of course borders in Africa are a clusterfuck. Remember that the borders in the Middle East are also a bit whack. The border at the Jordan river separates majority Palestinian populations on both sides. The border between Syria and Israel separates the Druze. The Kurds don’t have a state at all.
You are talking about the 1947 partition plan. That plan meant nobody would have to leave their land and a minority of the other side would live in the Jewish and Arab state respectively. Zionists accepted the plan, the Arabs rejected it.
I was talking about the population today. Two states with minorities are still possible. Same as you want in Africa.
Ah yes let’s have two ethnostates what could go wrong?
Fuck that. Disolve israel and build one big secular state with equal rights
Weird, because I remember a whole lot of people leaving their land.
Yeah here’s the big problem with the two state solution both then and now: Zionists don’t fucking want it. They never wanted it. I’ll avoid going on a rant about Zionist bad faith negotiation, but would you say that Zionists have gotten more or less radical since partition? Because Ben Gurion is on record saying “We must expel the Arabs and take their place”. More recently Zionists took the only man with the sanity and spine to attempt to put an end to all this, Yitzhak Rabin, and fucking killed him so they could continue their ethnic cleansing project. The man who took his place and ended negotiations with the PLO is Netanyahu, the so-called king of Israeli politics.
Anyway, since Zionists don’t want peace of any kind, they’ll have to be forced into it, and if they have to be forced to accept peace anyway we might as well advocate for a truly just peace rather than a compromise doomed to fail, hence the one state solution.
20% ethnicity Y in a state allocated to ethnicity X is not a viable partition model, neither in Palestine or Africa. If there are ethnicities in Africa where that’s the best partition model that can be done then I’d drop partition there too.
Zionists accepted two states in 1935, 1947, 1948, and offered two state peace deals in 2000 and 2008 (Olmert). All of them were rejected by the Palestinians.
One state would only lead to a civil war and we end up right where we are now, but likely worse.
Ah yes a two state solution where they get to keep their colonies.
Hasbarist spotted
-Wikipedia on the Nakba.
-Also Wikipedia.
So like I said, Zionists never wanted two states or intended to stay inside their designated borders.
In the 2000 offer Israel wanted to turn Palestine into Bantustans subservient to Israel so… uh… yeah. That was not a good faith offer no matter how you look at it. And about the 2008 offer, here’s BBC on the topic: