Because this time, the Con in charge will surely help you out. Surely this time. Surely.
Put on your clown noses, you dipshits. You will keep voting for them despite their obvious track record for being BAD FOR THE FUCKING ECONOMY.
Crushed alfalfa anyone? Anyone?
If I recall, moat of it went to Saudi Arabia?
Not quite, well at least not for the US as a whole, but could be different for California/Arizona specifically if anyone has the numbers?
As for US, China exports were still about the same as next two countries combined, so by far the largest market. Good riddance anyway. Source: https://hayandforage.com/article-5229-Hay-exports-flatlined-in-2024.html
Everything you never wanted to know. The price was too good. https://www.azfb.org/Article/Understanding-the-Economics-of-Arizona-Alfalfa
Wouldn’t this be a good thing for the fresh water supply in the US if the US stopped exporting alfalfa.
Sure, I didn’t read this article, so I’m just going off all the previous years of articles about how much fresh water this is using. And I’ve never researched the downstream effects of cattle in the middle east becoming more expensive.
RFK jr has plans to fix the fresh water supply situation.
RFK jr has plans to
fixmonetize the fresh water supply situation.I’m sure his fix is either “a bit of saltwater is okay” or “we need electrolytes, it’s what plants crave” with a smattering of “water? Like from the toilet?”
Answer:
- The water-intensive farming is absolutely fucking the ecology of the American southwest in a way that’s effectively irreversible on human timescales.
- The money being generated by this farming is going to a select few completely undeserving, morally bankrupt people who know the damage they’re doing and are hoarding swathes of land and water rights they were given for effectively nothing generations ago.
- This alfalfa is then shipped internationally to Saudi Arabia literally halfway across the world, generating greenhouse gas emissions and other forms of pollution.
- This alfalfa is then used to grow cattle, meaning that value is being extracted from the US – at a meager cost compared to the externalities we bear – and given to the theocratic shithole whose entire economy is based on destroying the planet that is Saudi Arabia.
- The cows are then brutally murdered for food despite extensive evidence that cows can feel pain and do feel emotions like fear.
- This cow meat is then fed to people despite the fact that 1) red meat is a class 2a carcinogen (and frankly in light of evidence that vegetarian and vegan diets reduce risks of certain cancers by double-digit percentages, we’re all just waiting until it’s confirmed rather than heavily suspected as a carcinogen), 2) it substantially increases the risk of heart disease, and 3) it elevates the risk for diabetes when compared to plant-based foods which are cheaper and less resource-intensive to create.
It’s a benefit to essentially everyone if alfalfa farming becomes less profitable. The entire chain from water to cow meat is unjust, cruel, and otherwise fucking terrible.
Just wanted to say I’ve had you marked with notes before as someone really good with your research, but each time I see your longer answers I make sure to take the time to read it. Really appreciate the knowledge transfer on a lot of your posts, please don’t stop!
Good answer. (Not sarcasm)
It would would have been cool if you’d left out the vegan propaganda
So, caring about the environment = cool
But caring about animals, which are inextricably a part of the environment (a link which can be demonstrated by the pollution produced by industrial farming) = not cool?
Seems an odd place to draw the line, but ok.
Half the circle of life is animals dying bud
It’s all about balance. Factory farms are not balanced. Eating meat isn’t evil (in my opinion) but factory farming absolutely is.
Bad answer (how do you know someone is a vegan?)
Did they say anything inaccurate or does reality just make you uncomfortable?
Insects feel pain, yet I hear no complaints over how many trillions are blended factory farming crops 🤷🏻♂️ you clearly gotta draw the line somewhere and y’all chose the far less tasty option.
Actually, vegans care about those insects too! The logic goes as follows:
- Plant-based diets not only don’t kill and torture animals who have a higher capacity to suffer than insects, but just as importantly
- Plant-based diets use substantially fewer crops than animal-based ones. This is just a consequence of thermodynamics that every step of the chain loses more and more energy, and thus more crops are needed at each stage. This is a major reason (other than prions) why you won’t usually see carnivores raised for food: it’d be wildly inefficient because you’d need way more crops and way more resource usage. The land usage for animal products is massive, and even the most “efficient” animals like chickens take 1.5 to 2 kg of crops for 1 kg of growth (we’re talking about cows here, though, where the ratio is fucking enormous: around 4.5:1 to 7.5:1), and even then a lot of this growth goes toward things like bones which are used for byproducts rather than food.
Vegans don’t eat insects because we care about insects. Vegans don’t eat honey because we care about insects. And logically, we don’t eat meat, milk, eggs, etc. because we care about insects. Veganism is about excluding animal exploitation “as far as is possible and practicable”, not about being literally perfect. And the difference in scale here is enormous. This argument is made all the time without realizing that if you care about insects, the first and most effective thing you can do is not to use animal products.
you’d need way more crops and way more resource usage.
most of the crops that go to livestock are plants or parts of plants that people don’t want to eat or can’t eat. by feeding them to animals, we are conserving resources.
and your owid link is depending on poore-nemecek 2018 as it’s primary source for land use, but there are major flaws in their methodology. do you have another source that doesn’t combine LCA studies, or count textile waste toward animal agricultures land and water use?
Oh no! Not the Trump supporting farmers!
“In the long run…” so he’s still onboard. Let him ride the failure train to financial ruin. Maybe then he’ll learn.
Same here as well https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/42564197
Schulz says he voted for President Donald Trump and believes in the goals of his tariff plan, to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. and expand exporter access to foreign markets.
“In the long run I think it will be a good thing," He said.
Dude’s face has been eaten and he’s still supporting the leopards.
I don’t think I care if he learns
he’ll learn
Think I found your problem right there
Unintended consequence of sl helping the environment and water table while leopards eat some faces.
Yeah everyone in the thread is ‘fuck them drumpf voters’ but your food prices are going to be ridiculous next month so keep memeing
I don’t think the average poster eats alfalfa.
That’s a ridiculously naive take, do you think that because this article focuses on one specific crop that this is the only one the tariffs will affect?
Are you 5?
Where did you miss that the topic of the discussion was alfalfa?
No, the topic is ‘MAGA farmer vafo’s’, just this particular facet is an alfalfa famrer
there is literally no requirement for the crop to be specific for this exact refrain to play ten thousand times
It’s the sign of a small mind to be unable to address the bigger picture
Super water users now angry their right wing fuckers no longer care specifically about them
Yeah I’m honestly counting this as an absolute win for the planet.
Try farming sigmasigma
Water my sugma
What is the reference?
Alfalfa-> alphaalpha-> sigmasigma
Fuck em. They voted for this. Or are now complacent in it.
No aid to those MAGAts without severe concessions on their part!
They should concede to use less oxygen from now on, at least 99% less.
Truly Make America Great Again.
Ehh… I have little sympathy for these farmers who switched from growing food crops (thus contributing to the rise in food prices) to generally very water-intensive cash crops for export and kept getting subsidies meant to ensure a ready supply of food for the populace. This situation was plenty fucked long before Trump put his dick in it, it should not be surprising that he’d make it worse.
Trump did that the first time. How could you not think, after him campaigning on tariffs, that he wouldn’t do it again? This is just your own fault for voting for him…again.
You know how they overproduced purple hearts in anticipation of an invasion of mainland Japan that never happened? Imagine if that happened and yet they still fell short on numbers, except instead of casualties of war it’s idiots getting fucked by Trump and instead of purple hearts it’s “fell for it again” awards. That’s where we’re at.
Schulz says he voted for President Donald Trump and believes in the goals of his tariff plan, to bring manufacturing back to the U.S. and expand exporter access to foreign markets.
That’s a shame. ANYWAY . . .
