The two progressive lawmakers have addressed massive crowds in solidly red states including Idaho and Utah in recent days, as party of the national Fighting Oligarchy Tour.
A survey taken by Harvard’s Center for American Political Studies and Harris between April 9-10 found that 72% of Democratic voters supported politicians like Sanders (I-Vt.) and Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.), “who are calling on Democrats to adopt a more aggressive stance towards Trump and his administration and ‘fight harder’,” rather than leaders who are willing to “compromise” with President Donald Trump.
Right: Genocide ALL undesirables without due process.
Left: Genocide nobody without due process.
Centrist: Clearly there is middle ground. So, lets genocide some people without due process.
Can’t i just have a little genocide? As a treat.
Well since you asked so nicely and as a centrist I’m so conflict averse I prioritize harmony over any sort of moral compass then yes, have as much as you want. Just stay polite or I’ll gently chastise you and then give in to you anyway.
72% of Democrats Want Party to Abandon Centrist Approach to Trump
Party: But who will help us become exponentially richer then?
Mother fuckers just play the fucking market if you’re so morally backrupt. Even when you’re selling us out you fucking take the most low ball barely consequential amount to flush millions of peoples lives down the drain.
AOC and Sanders ARE the centrists. That’s the key to understanding the issue here.
Sanders?.. Maybe. AOC… No freaking way.
You want a centrist that Dems should listen to? See Adam Frisch in my state. Almost beat Boebert TWICE in her home county.
Unfortunately in the situation, almost only counts in hand grenades and horseshoes… Lauren boebert is just… Well it shouldn’t be hard to beat someone that gave a God damn hand job at a theater show in polite company regardless of their political affiliation. Dude’s got to figure out a better way to get his message across to people.
Yeah. I know she’s terrible. It’s not the hand job that I’m against, she’s terrible as a congress critter. My point is, his message did land in a solid red district. She moved to the eastern side of the state to keep her seat.
Honestly, the hand job controversy seemed a little slut shamey to me.
Like, sure, it was wrong to do that in a public place but considering the scandals of most republicans that was almost quaint.
Billionaires don’t deserve a seat at the table.
We wouldn’t let any other group of 3000 people contort our entire society to their will.
Then they will freaking lose and deserve it. They surveyed Democratic voters. You want reality? You lost to the worst candidate in the history of voting in this country. WAKE THE HELL UP!
If 72% of Democrats want to drop centrist approach then giving for for a progressive in the primaries you bunch of non-voting assholes.
The last time they even had primaries was 2016 and we all saw what happened then. Voters have had no choice for a long ass time.
WTF are you talking about? We had primaries just last year.
https://www.ncsl.org/elections-and-campaigns/2024-state-primary-election-dates
That’s the problem with progressives and democrats, they never seem to remember that there are other primaries other than presidential that actually do matter.
Kamala was literally NOT chosen in a primary, she got chosen because of being vice president. Additionally, we all saw what they did in 2016 so you are arguing in extremely bad faith.
What they’re saying is that the president isn’t the only election and progressives and those further left rarely running for other offices is the problem. You don’t just wake up one morning and decide to primary the top party choice with little to no experience and win. You build up, Bernie didn’t just run for the nomination, he had a long record of successfully winning races in VT and was a known figure.
There are primaries and elections for school board, mayors elections, governor, state offices, state house and senate, congress, etc. This is where you build a movement, not president. The fact the the US Greens only trot out a presidential candidate every 4 years is how you know they’re a spoiler and not a serious party. If they were we’d have greens running for all those other elections all the time, but they don’t. We need a river of actual leftist politicians and we have like a handful of drops in a bucket.
Absolutely and at least progressive groups are not full of these Internet progressives and tankies and are actually doing the work and not just down voting on Internet forums.
Honestly, in this past primary, I saw a lot more progressive candidates at the house/Senate and state, which is extremely nice to see in my decades of voting and only donating to progressive groups.
Change is coming, it’s been slow but it’s coming.
The DNC fucked Bernie in 16 for Hillary… forgive me if I don’t the have Faith in their abilitie to read the god-damned room… being said by a guy who did vote for Harris and would have voted for literally anyone but this situation…the DNC needs to listen to the people, not use superdelegates to ensure the proper “sanctioned” candidates are on the ballot.
We WANT change…but also fuck the non voting idiots…unless it really was election tampering by Elon and Putin(again)
72% of democrats is like 72 people. The party is the least popular it has ever been, by the numbers.
By the numbers
You clearly don’t know what any of the numbers mean
Centrist approach?
USA has a conservative Party and a Neonazi Party
Two old rich white men arguing over the proper way to do genocide against brown people. Then they both get upset when brown people stop buying their shitty products.
Sounds about White.
Wow ya think
Won’t happen. There’s long been a gap between what registered party members want and what those in charge actually do.
We saw the same thing in the UK a few years ago when Jeremy Corbyn got a huge swell of support from the party proper, but all the other Labour MPs collectively rounded on him and conspired to kick him out of the party altogether because he was going to put a stop to their gravy train.
tone-deaf about the tone-deaf
They kicked him out after he led Labour to it’s biggest loss in ninety years.
I want to abandon the centrist approach, period. No more reaching across the aisle, no more insider trading, no more letting capitalists dictate how society should be. America has given capitalism a nearly free hand to determine the nation’s destiny, and it has lead to death camps, fascism, and stolen the prosperity that workers had earned with their sweat.
It is time to try a completely different approach to economics and an overhauled Constitution.
Earned with their blood*
I don’t want to hate on it, but it’s like we don’t respect the Constitution as it is anyways. And the origins of this country was rich landowners. So technically we’re all just kind of like livestock. I guess simply what I’m saying is we have to actually become a real country. And that will require kinetic input.
It should have been a living document. This is how you know these idiots are a death cult.
Still getting bribery from AIPAC?
Doesn’t matter what the people want, the democrat’s corporate masters make the decisions.
Democrats won’t abandon their centrist positions as long as the Clintons live. If voters want a party to represent them, they need to get rid of the current ones.
Kamala didn’t lose by being “Too woke”, she lost by saying “Maybe the Right can have a little fascism, ya know, as a treat?”
This is just wrong. Go look at what swayed voters. The fact is, she never broke from Biden.
- The border was a shit show.
- The stock market isn’t the economy. Egg prices matter (it’s ridiculous but true for voters, and yes, I know it was bird flu related)
- People trust R’s more when it comes to the economy
- Many voters see Democrats as intolerable over educated snobs… That’s how they address ‘the deplorables’.
- She ran on a platform that speaks TO DEMOCRATS and not the greater population.
Centrist is not evil, it’s necessary to win elections. How many maps do you need to see to figure out you need to win some red districts? Support the fringe but run on a platform that speaks to the middle. Or… keep doing what your doing and never hold more than a minor majority again.
Centrist is not evil, it’s necessary to win elections
Oh really? Who is president again? Who won the popular vote? Between Harris and Trump, which was more “centrist”?
Your logic is sound, but the model your working from is completely out of touch with how voters and elections work.
First of all, the left to right spectrum is just one dimension of voter preference. Another, and currently more dominant, dimension is populist to establishment. What Democrats call “centrist” is really “establishment”, and American voters hate the establishment.
Voters also like leaders with conviction. Centrist Democrats cave on everything. After four years of attacking Trump’s boarder policy, Democrats flipped almost entirely. After four years attacking Trump on LGBT rights, Democrats abandoned the issue entirely. Not only does that signal weakness to disengaged voters, it also destroys trust between the party and it’s base. The base might show up on election day, but they aren’t going to want to canvass or do all the other volunteer work that Democratic campaigns depend on.
My model is based on what won the last election.
- The border
- Prices at the grocery store. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
You make a good point. There are many factors at play, but if Democrats think centrist is establishment then we need to change that because your right, that won’t win anything
Your examples of caving… Attacking Trumps border policy - but… Biden was president?! And Democrats did nothing to fix the problem. Yes, border control is a problem. We needed a leader and got nothing.
LGBTQ rights. I’m sorry to have to say this, but that’s not going to win you an election. Democrats (and me personally) can continue to support LGBTQ rights, but you can’t make it one of your primary platform.
Look at it this way… You need a sales pitch for purple and red districts that speaks on their issues. And go there and sell it!
- Live and let live policies for the people
- Do a better job of advertising your successes fighting for workers rights and pay.
…and so on.
Hell, watch Fox news for a few hours a day, take a shower, then build your plan to beat the Republicans on their own turf.
People trust R’s more when it comes to the economy
I hate that you’re right about this. I just saw an article yesterday that human intelligence actually is declining, and this is some of the strongest evidence. We truly live in the dumbest timeline.
The GOP are already working out how to blame the incoming great depression on Biden
And just like in that survey which found that a huge number of Republicans blamed Obama for his response to Hurricane Katrina, the rubes will buy it.
This is why I want to see AOC as a candidate and NOT Harris. We need a candidate who is less, “reaching across the aisle” and more “boots on necks.”
America doesn’t have a good track record for young, popular, progressive presidents.
