All things considered, it has only been about 3 months since Trump took office, I feel like there is absolutely no way that this was just a single craze and from here things will even out.

I feel like until 2028 (or maybe 2026?) S&P 500 is going to look like a roller coaster.

What do you think?

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    What Trump is doing now will almost certainly outlast his presidency. One man, just one, has completely betrayed all of the trading relationships this country built over the course of a century, and even better, he did it unconstitutionally and Congress went along with it for their own enrichment, both Democrat and Republican.

    Supply lines will be recalibrated. Our foreign partners will make new relationships with more dependable trading partners. (ie, China.) Over the course of the next decade or two, the utter stupidity of what Trump has done will play out to full effect. A few hundred Americans who shoved their heads up Trump’s ass will get richer, but long-term, this is going to hurt most Americans.

    If you’re not diversifying your investments geographically you’re no longer diversified at all.

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      I hope people realize that trump was able to do all this because of years of bad law writing and eroding of the balance of powers. All that concentrated power is great until someone you disagree with sits in the throne you built. It would be nice if after trump, we learn our lesson and vastly shrink the power of the office. Unfortunately , I believe it is likely people won’t realize this and will put even more effort into strengthening the power of that throne after trump is gone, in an effort to more quickly undo his work, which of course means someone will be able to redo the damage even faster at a later time.

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        Biden had the chance to do it and outright refused to place more restrictions on the executive.

        I’m not a both-sides’er, but one thing that both parties will absolutely never do is limit their own power, even if it means limiting their opponents simultaneously.

        The President and his cabinet are, as we speak, violating the constitution. The Senate is complicit. The House of Representatives is complicit. The Supreme Court is complicit. We are past the point where voting for either Democrat or Republican can meaningfully change anything. We can’t vote to stop the assfucking that we’re getting, we just get to vote for who gets to be on top while it happens. This downward spiral will continue until a revolution occurs or by some miracle a majority of Americans wake up and start voting for new political parties in numbers that could threaten to topple both establishment parties away and implement sweeping government reforms with a strong mandate. Obviously, the way things are going, revolution is far more likely.

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        Same.

        None of this happened in a vacuum. The more you look at how we got here, the more it becomes clear that despite the theatrics we really are under one-party rule.

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      Most shitty things in our life can be traced to Reagan. Trump is going to outdo that legacy by so much.

      We’d need an actual left wing president to actually undo the damage, and there’s no way the corporate democratic party is going to allow that

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        You’re right.

        We needed a Bernie, and Democrats happily subverted their own primary process to prevent it. Now, all you can do is take whatever measures possible you can to ensure your own survival.

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          Bernie might have helped but even if he got into office Congress would have stopped nearly everything he campaigned on.

          The administrative state would not have been torn up but that’s just tinkering around the edges. Things like IRS free file expansion or banking at the post office.

          The supreme Court would belong to Democrats but…tinkering around the edges.

          If Bernie got re-elected (no guarantee, his first term would have ended in COVID and broken promises, probably impeachment by a Republican house). 2024 would 100% have gone to a Republican.

          We don’t need Bernie now. His plans are mostly just a harder crank on the ratchet. Good, but insufficient. We need Allende. Someone that wants to build non-mariet solutions to make our lives better, and a movement behind them in Congress.

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      What are some simple global things akin to the sp500 that brokers carry, or do you have any recommendations for a set it and forget it kind of thing with a decent and stable return?

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        Hi friend. There are a ton of options. Many invest in funds VT and VXUS, international funds run by Vanguard. SPDR is also a popular choice.

        Take a week and just spend 30-60 minutes a day reading up on the various options in the global arena and make the best decision for yourself. The funds I mentioned above are a good starting point for doing your research and finding an option that fits your goals.

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        I’m not an expert, but I’m an index fund/mutual fund guy. I’m not looking for a lottery ticket, I just want to keep up with the market.

        They’re basically the new savings account, right? If they don’t do well, chances are nothing really is, so your money is stagnating to the same degree as everyone else. No real loss.

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      I have a feeling that greed will entice folks to continue trading with the US, but also while they diversify their trading partners. This will increase competition and somehow the world will be better off after this clown show is over.

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      If a Democratic president is able to take office following the fuckery happening to basic voting rights, I fully expect the cycle to continue of the Democratic president being blamed for inflation/recession due to transferring wealth to people who don’t need to spend money from those who do (thanks, tariffs) in the first part of their term. Any economic gains at the end of their tenure will be conveniently ignored.

      My next vote goes to:

      Sweet Meteor of Death 2028

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      Trump will not make it past the mid-terms. Vance, who is the main mover-shaker behind the 2025 manifesto, will make sure the Senate impeaches Trump for treason, and the fact that under the Constitution he can NOT be President - an then Vance will assume the Presidency. If you think Trump is far-right, wait until Vance takes over. And since Vance was not ELECTED President, he can serve another two full terms - 10 years total. At the end of the ten years, The top 20% income earners - some 70 million Americans - will be living in luxury while the 0ther 80% will be nothing more than indentured servants. The Handmaidens Tale will be mild in comparison.

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        It could happen, but I think you’re wrong.

        Trump is going to live to be 100 years old, like Kissinger did. The problem with your theory is that, after his first term, people know full well that he can’t be controlled.

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          Vance does not think so. Fact is, Trump is far too EASY to control by those around him. Even Putin knows how to manipulate him.

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            You say that, and then he’s handing out confidential secrets in casual conversation just to look cool.

            Just look at the last week of tariff flip flops.

            Trump can’t be controlled, at least until Congress changes hands in 2026.

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        More likely they 25th him for his very obvious sundowning. Trying him for treason would be too likely to hurt them politically

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          Vance is in no way worried about what will hurt the Republican party politically. They let that concept lapse when they chose Trump as the candidate. By all previous political reasoning, Trump should have been a disaster politically, but that did not stop them.

          The fact that the Supreme Court has already acknowledged that Trump should be disqualified from being President under the constitution for Treasonous actvity feeds right into their hands.