• LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee
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    7 days ago

    This is kinda disconnected from the reactions of right wingers. Most of them are happy right now to “burn it down”. Which has been a lot of the reason that many people have supported trump from the start. Sure, they misdirect their anger towards the wrong people. But they haven’t felt the effects of the tariffs yet. Most of them are just enjoying seeing the stock market drop.

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      I tried watching some fox in an attempt to understand the other perspective but I just don’t, my summary of the 15 minutes of fox was.

      • Show clip of democrat politican giving normal speech, not bad not great just a boilerplate speech.
      • Proclaim the event was sad and embarassing for that politician without really saying why.
      • Claim said politician has certain negative view on subject that was never even mentioned in the clip.
      • Rapid fire multiple more strawmans of things the person in the clip never said or even mentioned.
      • Claim they’re also biassed by bringing up tangentially related event that happened when the republicans were in fact the ones in power.
  • yesman@lemmy.world
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    People need to be more understanding of Trump supporters. It’s like they say, you can’t understand a man until you’ve walked a mile with a monster third arm growing out of your back. liberals will never understand the struggle.

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      Nope. Just capitalism doing capitalism things. No need frame the issue as some sort of mass psychosis or cultural pathology when it’s clear that this devolution is a response to deteriorating material conditions. Calling fascism a cult is an ideological evasion. It’s the liberals’ convenient way of characterizing trump as an anomaly as opposed to a predictable symptoms of capitalist crisis. Liberals do this because it allows them to attempt to explain fascism without acknowledging that capitalism itself gives rise to such movements.

      There is no Trump cult; there is only textbook, predictable fascism - which leftists have been warning liberals about for decades only to be laughed away. Reap what you sow.

      • Suite404@lemmy.world
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        100% a cult.

        My family would bend over backwards to end abortion access, but when I send them buckets of articles showing how people are harmed by Trump… well, either its fine or there is nothing they can do about it.

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        It’s a cult. It just so happens that fascism is a kind of cult. Cults pop up in all sorts of circumstances, and capitalism is one of them.

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          So let me get this straight, you’re saying that economic systems are cults? Your characterization of humanity is that we went from hunter gatherer cult, to agrarian society cult, to feudalism cult, to capitalism cult? This is the bizarre type of analysis that shows up when you refuse to do any sort of class-based analysis. You can’t just throw the word cult around anytime you speak about systems that large swaths of people take part in - either willingly or unwillingly.

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                Amazing. You can win every debate by assuming your opponent’s position and then attacking that.

                Your question isn’t even relevant. Cults are perversions of normal social dynamics. They pop up as control structures inside many economic systems, including capitalism.

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        It’s that too! But it’s also a cult. People who study cults for a living confirm the heck out of that.

        I recommend this lady as a starting point if you’re curious. She’s former SpecOps.

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      And the Epstein list. It’ll be a list of all of those countries with the highest tariff ones at the top, you’ll see.

      I knew those penguins were up to no good.

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    I pulled my entire 401k out except for clean energy investments, and moved everything i have to stocks in countries outside the U.S.

    I hope it burns. These chucklefucks only understand money.

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    Why does Europe like tariffs so much if tariffs are so bad?

    I’m assuming its Europeans themselves that are asking for the tariffs, and they have tariffs between countries in the EU as well, so what makes Europeans different from Americans. You’d assume they wouldnt have too different an outlook.

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      No, we don’t have any tariffs between countries in the EU for the most part, it’s one of the reasons the EU is so great.

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      The problem isn’t that tariffs are being applied. There are many reasons to apply them, such as ensuring local production remains competitive with imports. The problem is that the tariffs are being just thrown up without careful calculation of what they are trying to achieve.

      It’s not the tariffs, it’s the unhinged way in which the US is applying them right now.

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    I still have a hard time understanding how people come to support Trump. Like what led people to become like this? I can’t wrap my head around it. It’s like supporting someone who is bullying you.

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      I take great pleasure in seeing Trump paraphernalia being removed from people’s homes and cars.

      But I honestly can’t believe there are still people proudly showing it. Flapping their ignorance and foolishness around for everyone to see. Cover your shame!

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      I still have a hard time understanding how people come to support Trump. Like what led people to become like this?

      It is never just one reason, it is a myriad of different reasons compounding and mixing with each other. Intentional dumbing down of population, genuine economic anxiety, wealth inequality, algorithm corralling people into their own information bubble leading to polarisation, etc. It is important to put yourself into one’s shoes and think why they think that way. You don’t have to agree with the viewpoint you disagree, you just have to understand. Understanding is the key to defeating extremism.

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        Don’t forget about the opposition party abandoning large swaths of the country because they’re too hard to win in.

        If only one team shows up, then that’s the team you’re rooting for.

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      People don’t seem to vote for a candidate any more.

      They vote against the other one…

      And that does seem to be something both sides are guilty of. They don’t know what they want. They just know what they don’t want.

      The fact that I even say “both sides” is a sign the political systems have failed.

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      A lot of his supporters are born Republicans. Their parents voted Republican, and their grandparents. To them voting Republican isn’t a choice, it’s what’s expected of them. They don’t participate in the Republican party, they just consume it, like American’s consume everything else. Those people will never once question why they’re voting that way, it’s what their parents did, their community does, and it’s what their children will probably do too.

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      Big part of it is his supporters are detached from reality. They have a faith-based belief system.

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    AI image.

    Arguments I’m seeing online are; it’s his genius plan to devalue the US dollar so it remains the world currency. When it’s devalued enough he’s use dropping tariffs as a negotiation tactic to get world wide free trade agreements.

    The problem? The US dollar is already the reserve currency and there’s no competition for that role. The Euro comes closest in terms of the amount of physical money they have out there in circulation (1.5 trillion) and the US is still a trillion physical notes ahead of them (not to mention accepted as currency in places far outside of Europe)…

    World reserve currency is just not a role any other currency has the reach and volume of notes to do.

    Meaning Trump is just devaluing the dollar for no good reason.

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      And the way he’s talking about annexing other countries and changes opinion and policy on a dime is not a good sign to step into whatever scheme he finally unveils.

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    It’s funny how they’ve created a buffer against reality.

    “DoWnVoTeS mEaN yOuRe OvEr ThE tArGeT” … or maybe you’re making an idiotic point?

    “AnY CoNsErVaTiVe WhO DiSaGrEeS WiTh TrUmP iS a FaKe ‘FeLLoW cOnSeRvAtiVe’”

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      Fiscally conservative now means losing unimaginably large amounts of money.