I agree with you, but I do need to point out that for years Republicans have been screaming election interference just so when it happens against Democrats, it looks petty and not serious. I haven’t dove down the rabbit hole, but it does sound like there has been evidence suggesting maleficence.
It’s kind of a catch 22… In order to investigate potential evidence of election interference, you have to first put on the tin foil hat and believe that it was possible and worth investigating in the first place, which in itself aligns with “qanon BS”.
I disagree with your catch 22 statement, my understanding of how our elections work is that Democrats would have lawyers/representatives at locations to verify result as they come in to centralized hubs and also sent out. Especially in hotly contested areas. Voting is so decentralized, there would need to be large swaths of people involved on both the republican and democrat side to allow for vote manipulation. All this is to say, you don’t need to look for election fraud in this situation, it would become apparent when vote tallies are not adding up, and surprising voting numbers are coming from only certain areas. I have found no reliable new organization discussing evidence of election fraud in the form of vote manipulation and if you have a source, I’d be interested in reading about it. Unless I see any evidence, it just seems like left wing conspiracy thinking that does a good job at distracting people and normalizing vote manipulation when there’s already real issues in front of us ( Musk paying people to vote, areas not providing sufficient voting booths for populations making for longer vote times, voter ID laws, etc).
Yeah, it’s pretty naive to think that the party of, “every accusation is a confession,” who screamed about election fraud for 4 years didn’t commit election fraud.
Musk lotteries, bullet ballots being orders of magnitude higher than previous years only in swing states, bomb threats in blue areas and judges not extending voting times to accommodate, Trump saying Musk was going to help him out and voting machines using Starlink internet, etc.
I feel it’s also pretty naive to believe generalizations such as “every accusations is a confession” are perfectly representative. Sure that saying applies a lot to Republicans, but it doesn’t mean its a rule.
I will admit, when I hear election fraud I understand the term to mean, directly subverting election rules. This would entail: changing votes, tallying votes incorrectly, accepting fraudulent votes willingly etc. I don’t believe Trump and company did any of these things, or if they did, not enough to make an impact on the election. I’m willing to accept evidence to the contrary.
Reading the definition of election fraud, it also can include the examples you mentioned (which i would say isn’t in my original and incorrect understanding of election fraud). I do agree that Trump and his team did do many things that subvert a free election including some that you said such as the Musk lotteries, the bomb threats in blue areas, allowing laws that make voting harder in blue areas, etc.
The reason I’m expanding on what kind of election fraud I believe Trump committed is because some of it has evidence, and others (Trump/Musk directly changing votes/not counting votes) just doesn’t have any evidence. I would imagine Democrats and reporters would be very eager to publish this kind of evidence if it existed, but I don’t know of any reliable news organization talking about this. I feel it ultimately servers as a distraction and actually normalizes the idea of election fraud in the form of changing votes.
I agree with you, but I do need to point out that for years Republicans have been screaming election interference just so when it happens against Democrats, it looks petty and not serious. I haven’t dove down the rabbit hole, but it does sound like there has been evidence suggesting maleficence.
It’s kind of a catch 22… In order to investigate potential evidence of election interference, you have to first put on the tin foil hat and believe that it was possible and worth investigating in the first place, which in itself aligns with “qanon BS”.
I disagree with your catch 22 statement, my understanding of how our elections work is that Democrats would have lawyers/representatives at locations to verify result as they come in to centralized hubs and also sent out. Especially in hotly contested areas. Voting is so decentralized, there would need to be large swaths of people involved on both the republican and democrat side to allow for vote manipulation. All this is to say, you don’t need to look for election fraud in this situation, it would become apparent when vote tallies are not adding up, and surprising voting numbers are coming from only certain areas. I have found no reliable new organization discussing evidence of election fraud in the form of vote manipulation and if you have a source, I’d be interested in reading about it. Unless I see any evidence, it just seems like left wing conspiracy thinking that does a good job at distracting people and normalizing vote manipulation when there’s already real issues in front of us ( Musk paying people to vote, areas not providing sufficient voting booths for populations making for longer vote times, voter ID laws, etc).
Yeah, it’s pretty naive to think that the party of, “every accusation is a confession,” who screamed about election fraud for 4 years didn’t commit election fraud.
Musk lotteries, bullet ballots being orders of magnitude higher than previous years only in swing states, bomb threats in blue areas and judges not extending voting times to accommodate, Trump saying Musk was going to help him out and voting machines using Starlink internet, etc.
I feel it’s also pretty naive to believe generalizations such as “every accusations is a confession” are perfectly representative. Sure that saying applies a lot to Republicans, but it doesn’t mean its a rule.
I will admit, when I hear election fraud I understand the term to mean, directly subverting election rules. This would entail: changing votes, tallying votes incorrectly, accepting fraudulent votes willingly etc. I don’t believe Trump and company did any of these things, or if they did, not enough to make an impact on the election. I’m willing to accept evidence to the contrary.
Reading the definition of election fraud, it also can include the examples you mentioned (which i would say isn’t in my original and incorrect understanding of election fraud). I do agree that Trump and his team did do many things that subvert a free election including some that you said such as the Musk lotteries, the bomb threats in blue areas, allowing laws that make voting harder in blue areas, etc.
The reason I’m expanding on what kind of election fraud I believe Trump committed is because some of it has evidence, and others (Trump/Musk directly changing votes/not counting votes) just doesn’t have any evidence. I would imagine Democrats and reporters would be very eager to publish this kind of evidence if it existed, but I don’t know of any reliable news organization talking about this. I feel it ultimately servers as a distraction and actually normalizes the idea of election fraud in the form of changing votes.