There are two ways to become a citizen in the United States:
By birth
By naturalization
Both are attested by government certificates. Do you really think the government does not have access to those records? If someone is not found in either of those, what are the chances that they have a valid claim to citizenship?
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
What are the chances? This isn’t the fucking casino, it’s people’s legal rights, which are also YOUR legal rights, and they are proved by evidence, not odds.
Not giving someone due process, means they don’t have to look at those government documents (and they haven’t been in several cases and admitted it). That means YOU, they can refuse to look at your ID or say it is fake, refuse to let you prove it in court- THAT’S DUE PROCESS
NONE of this, and I can’t emphasize this enough, is about these people’s actual legal citizenship status or not, so your first two points are mind-numbingly bad. Whether you get your day in court is how we determine ANYTHING in this country so we MUST grant it, or else they own your body and self and can just kidnap you anywhere, literally.
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
Okay, so when ICE goes to arrest people for whom they have no immigration records, they’ve already done their due process then, haven’t they. Glad we agree here.
We doin law by statistical probability? What are the odds their kid flushed their papers down the toilet that morning. They just SOL?
There’s a process for determining citizenship and “that tattooed guy with brown skin looks illegal. Send him to the torture slave camp” aint it champ. He even had his papers. Try again.
Tell me, how do they determine if you actually are a citizen or not without due process?
There are two ways to become a citizen in the United States:
Both are attested by government certificates. Do you really think the government does not have access to those records? If someone is not found in either of those, what are the chances that they have a valid claim to citizenship?
And while I’m at it, suppose someone is born in the US but not in a hospital. They’d have the claim but not the papers to show. Fuck 'em?
Believe it or not, there is a process for that.
https://www.usbirthcertificates.com/articles/how-to-get-birth-certificate-for-babies-born-outside-hospital
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/195i7tv/how_do_children_not_born_in_hospitals_get_birth/
cool great, but those are voluntary processes and the birthright is a right by birth (5head), not by paperwork.
Birthright is not an excuse for not filing the required paperwork.
Do you not know what “due process” is, then?
The government checking a database for records and ensuring those are correct and in line with the information the accused has (via a judicial body), IS DUE PROCESS.
What are the chances? This isn’t the fucking casino, it’s people’s legal rights, which are also YOUR legal rights, and they are proved by evidence, not odds.
Not giving someone due process, means they don’t have to look at those government documents (and they haven’t been in several cases and admitted it). That means YOU, they can refuse to look at your ID or say it is fake, refuse to let you prove it in court- THAT’S DUE PROCESS
NONE of this, and I can’t emphasize this enough, is about these people’s actual legal citizenship status or not, so your first two points are mind-numbingly bad. Whether you get your day in court is how we determine ANYTHING in this country so we MUST grant it, or else they own your body and self and can just kidnap you anywhere, literally.
You’re a fucking idiot.
Okay, so when ICE goes to arrest people for whom they have no immigration records, they’ve already done their due process then, haven’t they. Glad we agree here.
No, that’s NOT due process.
Just admit you don’t know the phrase.
You just said that it was. I literally quoted you.
No, you didn’t.
That’s not what due process is. Please, get lead chelation therapy asap
Show me where I misquoted you.
We doin law by statistical probability? What are the odds their kid flushed their papers down the toilet that morning. They just SOL?
There’s a process for determining citizenship and “that tattooed guy with brown skin looks illegal. Send him to the torture slave camp” aint it champ. He even had his papers. Try again.
If the kid flushed down the papers they’ll still be the government database, won’t they.