• HappySkullsplitter@lemmy.world
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    1 month ago

    Back in the day they were saying “don’t let the terrorists win”

    Now it’s communists?

    Are there any real communists left in the world?

    The only existing communist states left in the world are in China, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, and North Korea (DPRK).

    …and even these states do not claim to have achieved communism in their countries but are supposedly building and working toward its establishment.

    China is the most capitalist communist country I’ve ever seen

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      Are there any real communists left in the world?

      It’s arguable if there ever really were any. Hasn’t been an actual communist nation.

      But it sure makes a handy-dandy villain when anyone suggests implementing socialist plans that may take even a shaving of a dime from hungry corporations who need perpetual growth.

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        1 month ago

        Hasn’t been an actual communist nation.

        Communism is directly incompatible with the violent hierarchy of states.

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        So like, a long-ass time ago, a populist movement started overthrowing capitalist economies or monarchies and ever since then, anyone who wants to get a lot of money from everyone else has been deathly terrified of the thing. Never mind it never really worked. Never mind if it DID work, you wouldn’t need all that money.

        It’s always just people who really want to feel special worried that something is going to make them feel less special. Usually it’s something sexual like insecurity about their dicks or other men banging their girls. (No really, almost every authoritarian/fascist movement has started with sexually insecure men, this has been studied.)

        So this all really boils down to some people saying we can all level the field so everyone is equal and have the same opportunities, and the dudes who know they can never feel equal to others raging against the very notion because they are really, really insecure about but obsessed with the dicks of other men.

        As a result you have the suffering of billions of people. I wish I could make it make sense.

        • RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works
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          Yes, the tankie types will criticize me for not understanding what “socialism with Chinese characteristics” means. Apparently it’s socialism where the workers do not control the means of production.

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            1 month ago

            Right-wingers, whether fash or red fash (tankies), agree that China is commie because they have no idea what communism is.

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            The traditional Marxist argument would be that Marx thought liberalism/capitalism could be a required step towards communism, even if he had some hope of Russia skipping the stage for cultural reasons.

            They then claim that China is merely in that step towards socialism, and point to things like the re-education of certain billionaires as proof that the people/party are still in control.

            Personally I think that’s a bunch of nonsense and they’re a fascist state that, admittedly, will probably be less racist and expansionist than the incoming American Empire.

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          The types who bleat about “actually existing socialism” do.

          Cuba has the best argument, IMO. The people they killed/tossed out mostly had it coming. Most of the problems can be directly attributed to US sanctions, and those sanctions only serve the interests the people who got thrown out (or their decedents, at this point). Both the US and Cuba are harmed more than they’re helped by those sanctions.

          If I wanted an example of Marxist-Leninism working, Cuba would be it, even with obvious issues. The rest are only successful if you have a shitty definition of success.

  • dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net
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    1 month ago

    So this is pro-communist propaganda? I’m here for it. No more retro brutalist Soviet style posters, We’ve moved into the era of mid-2000s photoshop.

  • Phoenixz@lemmy.ca
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    1 month ago

    Dammit, don’t make me support communism now.

    Is there another way to get rid of golf?

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      Dammit, don’t make me support communism now.

      Why not? What is so appealing about the oppressive hierarchies of capitalism? Literally destroying the planet…

      I don’t think communism is perfect or even deserving of much loyalty, but anti-capitalism is the only reasonable position.

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        Unbridled capitalism is very bad indeed, but the basics of it aren’t bad. It can generate a lot of wealth through freedom. If you properly tax that wealth (top level brackets go 90-100%) then you have an enormous budget for a socialist framework that gives you anything from free healthcare to free education to free basic housing for everyone, etc.

        Communism has a huge amount of issues that simply makes it impractical. You need to remove a lot of freedoms, everything requires a huge burocracy, you’ll always (no exceptions in history) end up having to murder all your opponents and anyone who doesn’t want to fall in line… Communism is nice on paper but in the real world there hasn’t been a single example where it didn’t cause untold suffering

        I’ll go with the former, thank you.

        And again, yeah, capitalism as in the US is a shit show that needs to die in a fire, but come on, be realistic here for a second, capitalism looks shit in places like the US but if used well, it could generate heaven on earth for everyone

  • partial_accumen@lemmy.world
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    Is it possible that is just conservative shitposting? Even our most of our extreme lefties understand irony and have a bit of self-awareness making inside jokes similar to this. We’ve also seen conservatives “eat the onion” enough on joke memes. We should consider that we may be on the other end the joke on this one not thinking they’re serious with this meme.

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      Have you met then in real life? Even if it made as satire, it’s being passed around by people who don’t realize it.

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      A lot of people are really, really fucking naive how stupid the bulk of the population is. And how there is always a segment even less cognitive.

      And I get it, you don’t want to believe how bad it is. The brain protects you from cognitive hazards. When I realized it well into adulthood I wept, I despaired because I finally understood just how bad it really is. I can’t describe it, you have to go on this journey yourself, and I feel bad for you if you find it, because it’s one of the blackest pills to swallow.

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    Can we make golf less bad? Like, public courses, make it so that the grass isn’t some perfect standard import grass. Make it local even if it’s “less than ideal” for the game. Desert courses with no grass. I dunno

    • jmcs@discuss.tchncs.de
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      My hometown has a public mini golf course. It scales really well, and it coexists with a forest.

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      “good” courses exist. They are just quite rare

      In my area there are at least 2 courses that have very reasonable member fees (not more than other sports clubs) where things like golf clubs and balls renting is included if you need them. Plus all kinds of free weekends

      They are also not targeted to rich snobs. So you can actually meet people there without being looked down upon

      As for the course itself: they are located in area that are not really suitable for things like apartment development etc. And they take care of the more wild parts of nature (making sure that some area are completely off limits during nesting season due example)

      Does it have an impact compared to it not being there? Sure. But they do a lot for the surrounding, and it gets people into nature that otherwise probably wouldn’t

      All the courses in the middle of cities or climates that don’t naturally support a course can go fuck themselves, though