Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Just teleport me to L3 and be done with it. Earth-Moon, Sun-Earth, doesn’t matter.
What or where is L3?
I think I already live in one of the places least likely to be involved in WW3
The countryside of Brazil
In the previous two World Wars Brazil only got involved because people pressured the president to do so, otherwise we could have just sat the entire thing out.
Like, life will get shittier here too, but it is VIOLENTLY unlikely that there will be any fighting in our soil or even a draft to send soldiers to the war. (and I aggressively doubt there will be any kind of nuke-related mutually assured destruction shenanigans. The elites don’t benefit from causing the apocalypse)
Least likely to be involved… Unless Bolsonaro or any other dumbass decides it would be fun to lick Trump’s ass, which is very likely to happen if they arise to power in 2026. I wouldn’t be sure about that least likely remark. Also, there are ways to live in a fascist state even if it is not involved directly in a war - Getúlio Vargas is the name that comes to my mind, only to start
Everyone saying Latin America has absolutely no clue about what Latin America is, lol. The only place safe from fascism rn is either another planet or being dead.
As a Puerto Rican, I am very upset about all the fascism taking place in our federal government
As a Costa Rican, I agree. Hell, we even have one of trumps deportation (concentration) camps over here
Any plans to start saving up to move elsewhere, by the way?
No. Moving elsewhere is a high emotional and financial cost that I will avoid until it is not possible to avoid anymore (also, where in the world is safe of fascism rn?)
I could give a ton of counter examples based only in Brazil
Iceland
London. Thanks to the artefacts in the British Museum, nobody will dare to throw bombs there.
Famously, it didn’t stop the Nazis.
Depends, are we riding out the rise of fascism or riding out WWIII? Those are two highly different scenarios.
Either way, a Pacific island sounds nice.
Not with rising sea levels
Okay, Newfoundland.
Fair. A boat anchored at a Pacific Islay, while they exist.
Maybe I’ll dock at the Pacific garbage patch and distill my fuel from microplastics.
A proto-Waterworld scenario!
No gills for me, sadly.
I think I am stuck in Texas
The Pacific Garbage patch isn’t solid enough to dock on.
Also, Pacific atolls will be fucked, but high islands will be fine.
Totally agree, but you really never know where would be insulated from everything
I mean surely in the 1930s Hawaii felt like an excellent place to be insulated from war…
Ever read the book On the Beach?
Closest I’ve read is Lord of the Flies.
Hah very different themes I’d say.
On the Beach is about all the people who thought it’d be a good idea to move to Australia in case all the nukes drop during the Cold War, and then the nukes drop and everyone in the northern hemisphere dies and they survive, but then they realize they’re just waiting for the natural wind patterns to bring all the radiation over to them to kill them too. The only way to win is not to play.
So similar in that they’re both very dismal.
if teleportation is allowed, i would just telefrag putin in moscow.
I’m thinking NZ or AUS
You might want to wait until after the May election to see whether Australia is immune to the rise of fascism.
If the Americans are dumb enough to start a war with China, the Aus vasals are the first to go.
Better not move to a city then.As an Australian, I’m often thinking about whether Russian or mandarin is the best language for me to learn. Definitely more rations for an interpreter
nz just voted a facist goverment and australia deports migrants to islands in the middle of nowhere. no.
Where would you move to ride out a potential WWIII?
Australia. There really is no better place in the event of nuclear war. It’s a continent-island, so easy to defend, it grows and can build just about anything, and being in the southern hemisphere it should be safe from nuclear winter.
Specifically, a rural property somewhere agricultural. Maybe Queensland or Tasmania.
If you could move anywhere to minimize the impact on you of the worldwide rise of fascism…
That’s almost a different question, though. Whichever European country is the most securely democratic. There’s lots of non-war ways fascism can suck aggressively.
Peter Thiel has new Zealand citizenship, so you should be safe there. He would never allow his bunker to get jeopardized
Yeah it might be safe from nuclear winter but it is Australia it already has 10billion other things that can easily kill you.
That feeling when you survive the apocalypse only to get stung by a platypus and regret it.
A platypus you mean Perry the platypus
That show would have been way darker if Perry had ever employed the fact he’s a venomous mammal.
Actually, it was a missed opportunity not to go with a female Perry and have an egg-hatching subplot. Their version of the platypus really didn’t do much.
There was one episode where they thought Perry had laid an egg.
Oh, nevermind, haha.
I would expect Australia to be important in a conflict with China, so unless you expect it not to happen, it really isn’t that great.
I’d expect them to stay out of it at this point, actually. They want to expand into the pacific, and the US and East Asian democracies want to stop them. Meanwhile, Australia also has affinities with now-distinct Europe, isn’t directly in the way of any of that, and depends heavily on China for trade.
And, even if it did become involved, dealing with a Chinese occupation isn’t going to be as hard as a nuclear winter or the total breakdown of modern civilisation.
South America is a better place to go in a nuclear war, Australia is in NATO along with NZ, so it’s a target. Can’t really think of any particular targets in South America.
They are not in NATO, actually. That requires proximity to the Atlantic. They’re Western though, that’s true. Being in a city could be a bit of a risk.
In South America or southern Africa you’re going to deal with waves of people trying to expand in from the north. No way of life escapes that unscathed. Not to mention, the projections for food scarcity on other continents aren’t nearly as rosy, if there’s soot in the upper atmosphere, maybe because of the higher population to start with.
And then there’s poverty as a whole separate dimension of things. Here or in Australia I’m pretty sure the capacity to build things like generators will continue. In the third world there’s absolutely no guarantee.
Australian here, we’re in the shit. A good chunk of our rural voters support the LNP (who are doing everything they can to copy Trump). Universal healthcare has been slashed down to an inch of its life, and employment prospects are terrible for most everyone under 50.
If you’re looking to escape the rise of facism, don’t. Come. Here. We’re lockstepping with the US and unless our upcoming election goes beautifully, we’ll get even worse.
Australian here. I think that’s a pretty negative take.
Our healthcare is fucking amazing. I have a young family. My wife had a complex pregnancy. The care we received was just amazing. The specialist team was the best of the best. Astonishingly professional and well credentialed. State govt paid for an apartment in Perth for 3 months so we could be near her specialist. We didn’t pay a dime for any of it.
It’s true that we are sliding to the right, but less so than most other western nations. We are no where near as messed up as the US. Even France, UK, and Germany are much further right than us. We currently have a progressive government who is polling well leading into the election.
We pretty much have full employment. I’m hiring presently. I interviewed a candidate today who I will need to offer $40 an hour instead of the $28 an hour in the award.
Things could be better, but our quality of life is dramatically better than the average Americans.
While Latin America is, overall, a good choice, it’s important to recognize that the mask off fascism we are seeing from the US will only increase the meddling they already do on their “backyard”, so keep that in mind.
Was gonna say that.
It was pretty safe in the last two world wars.
If you weren’t living under one of the US sponsored dictatorships, sure.
Which countries are you talking about?
“Which countries” basically all of them since the 1800s
Costa Rica, Panama, Nicaragua, El Salvador, Guatemala, Venezuela, Peru, Chile, Paraguay, Uruguay and Brazil and probably more I’ve failed to remember.
That’s was after WWII, during WWII Latin America was a “safe” heaven
I suppose if your only concern is whether a bomb is going to drop on you, you are correct. But maybe you should consider if being kidnapped, tortured and killed without your family ever knowing what actually happened to you is “safe”
Latin America. They are not aligned with NATO or Russia/China. And the level of life quality have greatly improved in later years. In fact many migrants feel cheated when coming here because they thought europe was better than it actually is in comparison.
You are very, very wrong
We’ll know what the right answer was after it passes.
Just click your heels together three times, Dorothy. You’ll find all the fascism you need right in your own backyard!
You didn’t need old fascism. the real fascism was inside you all along.
I was about to say Mars, but Elon Rat plans to go there
Mars is boring
Choose a cooler planet like Pluto
I am going to timetravel to the 1890s
The historian Zeev Sternhell has traced the ideological roots of fascism back to the 1880s and in particular to the fin de siècle theme of that time
(Wikipedia )
So if you could timetravel back a bit more and see if rebooting fixes this whole thing…
The dream of the 1890s is alive in Portland
It’s the dysentery, isn’t it?
