As Yahtzee has suggested, people aren’t nostalgic for old games, but for how they felt playing old games. Much harder to capture that, and beautiful pixel art alone isn’t enough.
Because as a child, everything is novel and new for you so you get that sense of high and awe seeing something new. But now as adults, recreating that feeling is almost impossible because you have already experienced it before.
that’s why you should seek out new things to see wonder and novel in. as a person with hyperfixation/-focus, that is very easy for me.
This is why I started hiking and summiting mountains. I mean, not literally why, but it’s chasing that new and novel high.
You’re also literally chasing new highs though. Sounds like the whole package…
Nothing hammers this home like raising a kid.
The sense of joy and wonder they feel about something as simple as learning how to turn on a faucet. Suddenly, they’re magical and can summon water.
It makes you feel jaded.
You can get that feeling when learning something new as an adult, too. Your first python program is running? You renovated something in your home that your haven’t done before? Planted a tree and it’s having fruits for the first time? Changed the tires on your car? It’s awesome!
You can also choose to embrace bringing them joy with each new experience, and share in their happiness that way.
try envigorated. I don’t know if you watch let’s plays at all, but me I mainly do it with games that I’ve finished but can’t play again with the knowledge I already have. great puzzle and mystery solving games like obra dinn, the witness, etc. or games with amazing twists like prey… some things you can’t live through twice, but you can witness the joy in others when they do it for the first time. that’s why I do it. with kids, it’s literally everything.
you should watch the Love Death and Robots episode Pop Squad.
And that’s why I generally avoid games that advertise themselves as “pixel art.” I have no problem with pixel art itself and I play many pixel art games, but the art style is secondary to whether it’s fun.
That’s why I love UFO 50.
It really went hard at capturing what I love about classic games. The Desert Western RPG was so good, even with all of its grind.
I haven’t played it but I have watched a little bit, and the part that it really captures in my observation, that very few modern games have the balls to capture accurately, is how uncaring some of its games are whether you are having fun.
The fun is not a gift. The fun is not automatic. The fun is your reward once you get your shit together and figure things out, and until you get yourself to that level, the game is not concerned about your experience. It’s content on its mountaintop, waiting for you to join it (if you’re up for the task, and if not, that’s okay too.)
you need a good scanline filter if you want modern pixels to look like classic ones
Incorrect, you need a good NTSC filter. Scanlines on their own are hotdog water.
And then your European players wonder why the color artifacts are all wrong. PAL and NTSC had different distinct looks (and presumably so did SECAM).
If it helps, for all fairness, the Nintendo, Sega, and Sony consoles were all Japanese, so NTSC was their native target before getting converted to PAL. It may not be what EU kids remember growing up, but NTSC is technically more “correct” from that perspective.
With that being said, always use PAL filters with PAL versions of games and NTSC filters for NTSC versions.
Oh! You just reminded me. I had some old hotdog water on the stove and I cooked some rice in it. Was delicious. Pretty sure boiling killed any bacteria. So there ya go: a cooking tip in with yer video game comments.
yea funny enough I got that high when recently playing Planescape torment but not Baldurs Gate I, dont know why. Still a good game though.
Baldurs gate is good but it really shows how much they were trying to capitalise on 5e actually gaining mainstream attention (not that I blame em, folks gotta eat) Divinity Original Sin 2 is a previous title by the same company and IMO feels a lot better to play both mechanically and in terms of actually having a unique feeling universe.
huh? BG I is 2nd edition DnD? Played both Divinity I and II, liked I better
BG 1 is a weird 3.5e, not 2e. Its ruleset is mostly unique, with 3/3.5 as the base.
No it isn’t. Bg1 and 2 are 2e. Icewind dale is the weird 3/3.5 ruleset
OP is talking about the first Baldur’s Gate game. Not Baldur’s Gate 3 which you are talking about. Also Baldur’s Gate 3 was in production in 2017. While it may have been in response to Stranger Things season 1 coming out, I honestly doubt it was that. BG3 is a huge labor of love and that dev team was much more intent on making a good game than cashing in on popularity of any particular ttrpg system. There are no dlc or micro transactions and marketing was sparse. I pretty much only heard about it through word of mouth. If the goal was to capitalize, they failed that. You don’t capitalize by making a game that people can buy once and have nearly limitless experiences in without spending a dime more.
you can never go home
What’s this game called ?
Reverse image search says it’s Godshard Chronicles.
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anon needs to build a time machine and rescue my parents’ 32" Trinitron. That shit was top of the line.
The actual pixels are more defined. You can’t just emulated crt fuzz without emulating crt fuzz.
no indie rpg will ever make me feel like playing Golden Sun as a kid did
Playing Chrono Trigger as an adult will ever make me feel like playing Chrono Trigger as a kid did.
That main menu music was so great
I love the entire OST. the Saturos theme is one of my favourite ones
Yeah, they would need to be able to turn you back into your kid self, experiences and all. A lot of that magic is from you being a child.
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The sun will rise again!
By punching nazis u mean posting memes in lemmy?
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OOP should try the Mega Drive (Genesis) ROM of Pier Solar, then. Couldn’t “look fake” even if it tried
Because these characters aren’t built the same as old games. That was part of the magic of older games, using as few resources as possible but cleverly cutting the spirit into easily manipulated bit maps that can be flipped and rotated as necessary to animate the character.
These are overly detailed and missing the CRT effect.
Something about people putting their heart into what they’re doing just makes it feel different.
It barely matters what it is. It could be crappy externally. It could be notes from a math class. Something about the nature of the mind that makes it goes into the thing that gets made and makes it magic. The limitations to the old hardware mean people have no choice but to bring the magic, and because they had to make magic to make the game, the game turns out to have some magic in it.
Plenty of modern games have it too. Tunic and Hollow Knight have it in a way that a lot of the pixel-art imitators do not. Pixel art is fine too. But it’s not the point.
Its because they all use Unity, Unreal, or Godot, anon. Its the game engines.
It’s really not.
Thanks for explaining, you added so much context to those downvotes.
As did you.
What can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
- Hitchens’ Razor
Let’s see, Secret of Mana? No third party game engine
Chrono Trigger? No third party game engine.
Final Fantasy? Hmm, NO third party game engine!
Now its not necessarily the engines themselves that turns pixel art games into the same slop. Its the constant use of the inbuilt systems for movement and things like that. Thats what makes them all feel the same and not.like the games they are imitating. The movement is different because its a system built by the third party companies generically not hand crafted for the game. That alone works miles towards a game feeling unique.
Remake of secret of mana? Unreal Engine 4.
Octopath traveler? Unreal Engine 4.
You wanna know what doesnt feel like shit? Micro Mages, because they had to create it for the NES just like a classic game. Go play it on Itch.io its dope.
Godot, Unity, and Unreal don’t provide that kind of stuff, they mostly just provide primitives for things like hit detection, lighting, and physics. Things like movement are generally done by hand, unless the developer is super lazy and buys premade assets from an asset store or something. But then the problem isn’t with the engine, but the developer, and they’d release trash even if they didn’t use one.
I’m not big into pixel graphics, I’m into good games. Here are some examples of good games I’ve played that happen to use pixel graphics, and the engine they used:
- Darkside Detective - Unity
- Oxenfree - Unity
- Dave the Diver - Unity
- Undertake - Gamemaker Studio
- Celeste - MonoGame
- Stardew Valley - MonoGame
Those three examples you gave were made by major studios before game engines were a thing. They used pixel graphics because that’s all they could afford (FF was notorious for being multiple disks).
I’m sure I could find examples in Godot or Unreal if I looked.
My point is that it’s not the engine, it’s the devs. Whether a game is good has less to do with the engine used and more to do with the passion, budget, and time of the devs.
Yes they absolutely do provide input detection
https://docs.unity3d.com/Packages/[email protected]/manual/index.html
https://dev.epicgames.com/documentation/en-us/unreal-engine/enhanced-input-in-unreal-engine
https://docs.godotengine.org/en/4.0/tutorials/inputs/index.html
Using these in conjunction with their physics or even just their built in systems for positions gives games a certain feel.
Input detection, sure, but even “no engine” games use standard input detection libraries, like SDL. I’m guessing the games you listed likely use the same library for that, and the behavior is probably identical to what Unreal, Godot, and Unity do. There’s pretty much no “feel” here.
I’ve built games, I’m pretty familiar with what they offer here. Input detection just abstracts over hardware differences, so you can check if they pressed “A” instead of knowing that’s “controller button 7” or whatever. Most games will still interpret that manually (e.g. if “A” is “jump,” apply X force upward for the physics system).
Physics is highly tuned by the developer, regardless of what abstraction they use, especially for simpler games where physics isn’t really a thing (e.g. older FF games just had simple object detection). You can achieve pretty much any feel you want with any of the standard physics engines, especially for simpler interactions like platforming.
There’s no reason I couldn’t build a convincing reimplementation of FF or Secret of Mana in Godot, Unreal, or Unity. Generally speaking, that’s not the goal.
It’s not just the pixel art but the rest of the game as well.
I will take this moment to recommend Crosscode, one of the all time greats
