Not giving up what was literally the only meaningful leverage Dems had, and voting NO on cloture for the spending bill.
Chucklefuck Chuck claimed that the resulting shutdown would have opened the door for the presidents to sow chaos and discord with firings, but that’s a braindead argument because this is exactly what they’ve already been doing since day one. Instead of doing the bare minimum to protect us, Chuck recruited other rich Dems to capitulate and protect their own pocketbook. It’s disgusting and has paved the way for the $4.5 trillion robbery that is about to commence.
A better choice was to vote no on cloture. They needed 60 votes, so they needed Democrats to pass the bill.
Then there would be two options:
Democrats and Republicans would pass a clean CR keeping government open while negotiating actual bill (this is how normally things would do)
government would shut down, it would hurt US, but also would push Americans on the streets protesting, which is we need. What’s happening right now is not normal, it won’t be fixed at the voting booth, we will need something similar to Orange Revolution to unfuck this.
Schumer and others voting with him were most likely bribed and are actually ok with what’s happening.
Bribed in that they don’t want to risk their donors like Democratic Majority For Israel not giving them money because a govt shutdown would mean money wouldn’t go to the Israeli baby killing machine/ genocide.
its passage was inevitable. iirc republicants had the option to ram it through as a reconciliation bill anyway (simple majority, no 60 for cloture needed).
he basically just ‘saved’ this year’s reconciliation for something else–that’ll probably be even worse.
“Budget reconciliation bills can deal with mandatory spending, revenue, and the federal debt limit, and the Senate can pass one bill per year affecting each subject.”
the government is up to radical evil shit right now. spending bills, as the republicans have demonstrated for years, are great leverage to suspend the opposition’s agenda. better to vote no, reject cloture, and force the republicans to at least pretend to play nice
Objective question: What was his alternative, better choice?
Honestly a clean spending bill. He capitulated to garbage that didn’t need to happen for reasons that also have no positive recourse.
Not giving up what was literally the only meaningful leverage Dems had, and voting NO on cloture for the spending bill.
Chucklefuck Chuck claimed that the resulting shutdown would have opened the door for the presidents to sow chaos and discord with firings, but that’s a braindead argument because this is exactly what they’ve already been doing since day one. Instead of doing the bare minimum to protect us, Chuck recruited other rich Dems to capitulate and protect their own pocketbook. It’s disgusting and has paved the way for the $4.5 trillion robbery that is about to commence.
A better choice was to vote no on cloture. They needed 60 votes, so they needed Democrats to pass the bill.
Then there would be two options:
Schumer and others voting with him were most likely bribed and are actually ok with what’s happening.
The first point would never happen because the R’s can play hardball.
The second point would have everyone blaming the D’s for the shutdown.
There was no good option.
Bribed in that they don’t want to risk their donors like Democratic Majority For Israel not giving them money because a govt shutdown would mean money wouldn’t go to the Israeli baby killing machine/ genocide.
I think you guys might need to skip straight to Maidan at this point
Thanks for taking time to help me understand.
QUICK NOW DOUBLE DOWN EVERYONE AND DOWNVOTE THIS CURIOUS ASSHOLE WHO BETTER UNDERSTANDS, AND HAS FANTASTIC MANNERS!
I see you’re a new account, but that doesn’t really happen here. I’d also appreciate not having people insinuate that it’s normal.
https://lemmy.world/comment/15729327
In this thread. Generally the reply gets more favorable votes when people are chill but the initial down vote thing is often similar to a Reddit
Initial downvote for bad takes, yeah. People rarely get downvoted for taking arguments against them seriously and changing their minds though.
Yea! Wait…
its passage was inevitable. iirc republicants had the option to ram it through as a reconciliation bill anyway (simple majority, no 60 for cloture needed).
he basically just ‘saved’ this year’s reconciliation for something else–that’ll probably be even worse.
“Budget reconciliation bills can deal with mandatory spending, revenue, and the federal debt limit, and the Senate can pass one bill per year affecting each subject.”
For anyone else out of the know
either way there’s no reason to assist the republicans install monarchy
vote no
Which would have shut the government down. And again, objectively speaking, how would that have been more favorable?
the government is up to radical evil shit right now. spending bills, as the republicans have demonstrated for years, are great leverage to suspend the opposition’s agenda. better to vote no, reject cloture, and force the republicans to at least pretend to play nice
Thanks